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Re: CH4 for Odd

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: CH4 for Odd
Date 2017-06-16 19:44 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"john <johnse...@gmail.com> writes: 

>>We come ever closer to your doublethink. 
>>You think the electron is everywhere at 
>>once! Therefore, it doesn't need a path!! 

>No, John, probability density is because we don't know where the electron 
>is. See that word, "probability"?  Probability density just tells us we .."

>We continue to circle that which you refuse to
>think about; if we don't find it HERE all the
>time, HOW does it get THERE, the rest of 
>the time?
>Un Less There Is a PATTERN. A PATH.

Not applicable.  We're talking about a wave here.  Where is a wave?
HUP rules out a path at the energy scale of an electron in orbit. Sorry.

Oh, think of this. This will blow your already fried mind.  A p orbital
has a nodal plane right through the middle.  The probability of finding
the electron in the plane is zero.  Yet you can find it on one side of
the plane 50% of the time, and the other side the other 50% of the time.
How does it cross?  hehehehehehe....  The answer, of course, is the
question doesn't apply, it doesn't follow a little path crossing from
one side to the other.  <snicker>

>You need more than one sample to establish
>probability, Michael.
>The LONGER the TIME spent sampling, the
>closer you will get to your silly probability
>number.

Depends. Do we already know the probability, such as doing the Schrodinger
Equation math?  Doing one sample is fine, you'll get a location determined
by the known probability.  The next sample is independent, so the outcome
of the first does not determine the outcome of the second.

If you know it's a probability distribution, but don't know the actual
distribution, you'll need a lot of samples, enough to be statistically 
significant. See the image at:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Double-slit_experiment_results_Tanamura_2.jpg.
The (a) part is way too few samples, you can't determine the distribution.
At (e) with loads of samples, the distribution pattern is visually clear.

The total time is irrelevant, as long as the system is in the proper state
at each sample. (for example, if sampling a hydrogen's 1s electron knocks
the electron into a 4d orbital, taking a second sample while it's still in
a 4d orbital will give you a wrong answer for the second sample)

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CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 11:46 -0700
  Re: CH4 for Odd "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-06-14 12:32 -0700
  Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 14:32 -0500
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              Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:46 -0500
              Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 16:05 +0000
            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:41 -0500
    Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 19:55 +0000
      Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 15:55 -0500
      Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 14:16 -0700
        Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 12:39 +0000
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            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 16:40 -0500
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        Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 12:48 +0000
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            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:49 -0500
            Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 16:12 +0000
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                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 08:16 -0500
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                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-16 15:03 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 08:50 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-16 19:44 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 15:07 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 06:14 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-17 14:10 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 21:24 +0000
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                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 16:44 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-18 00:09 +0000
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                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-19 01:04 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 12:51 -0500
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                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-23 07:25 -0500
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                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 05:28 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-24 14:38 +0000
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                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-24 23:29 +0000
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