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Re: CH4 for Odd

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: CH4 for Odd
Date 2017-06-15 16:05 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd and Michael
>You seem to think that atoms are completely 
>homogeneous inside.
>How can 3D items containing a set number of
>variously-charged , variously-positioned entities
>within them be completely symmetrical from
>all sides?
>Whether they move or not, are you telling
>me that you can position, say a Hydrogen atom,
>with one proton and one electron,
>so that it's proton-electron axis points all
>directions at once?
>Surely not.

Once again, you are STUCK with your thinking of the electron as a little
billiard ball, with a definite position and momentum (--> velocity) at
any particular instant.  That is wrong, and is forbidden by HUP.
Best to think of the electron as a STANDING WAVE, with its wave function
given by Schrodinger's Wave Equations.  So yes, the wave equation of a
hydrogen bonded to a carbon in methane is symmetrical at right angles to
the H-C line segment, and all 4 H-C line segments and all 4 hydrogens in
methane are IDENTICAL and can't be told apart from each other.

>Tell me how YOUR atoms accomplish that?
>Because, really, that's your beef- that my atoms'
>electrons MOVE.

They have nonzero momentum (they must, according to HUP) and therefore
nonzero velocity. What they don't have is specific trajectories since
they should be treated as WAVES (plus HUP forbits it as well at that
scale)

>Yours move, too, you admit that,
>but mine coordinate the magnetic
>field being produced. Yours do not.

You have done NOTHING to show what the magnetic fields of electrons
moving in your cartoon do, or interact, or anything.

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