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Re: Reality versus Math

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On 6/9/17 9:55 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 4:28:02 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 6/8/17 2:52 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 1:16:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 6/8/17 8:27 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/7/17 2:52 PM, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 10:53:13 PM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>> W dniu środa, 7 czerwca 2017 00:25:53 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 20:33:02 UTC+2 użytkownik Wozniak napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 18:30:27 UTC+2 użytkownik einstein....@gmail.com napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 11:37:04 PM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 11:21:37 UTC+2 użytkownik Groupie napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 8:28:13 PM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 07:56:13 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dne 06/06/2017 v 07:49 Eckard B napsal(a):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't the expression TOTAL NONSENSE indicate that Ed Lake might be wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The topic "reality vs. math" did certainly deserve being better discussed, cf. e.g. FQXi. For instance, the late Einstein admitted that the now worries him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously. Why? Reality is open in Popper's sense. Science can merely provide models.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Better wording would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        "Reality versus physical theories",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as theories are reality models,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involving mathematical description.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Math itself has nothing to do with reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of math, it's always good to remind that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your idiot guru has rejected it's oldest and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very important part. Because "common sense is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a collection of prejudices".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You're dumber than dirt."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't deny, but you can rave and spit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As expected from a fanatic idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You really are one malignantly stupid speck of fecal matter!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :))
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You really can do nothing except raving and
>>>>>>>>>>>> spitting.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As expected from a relativistic moron.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Unplonk"
>>>>>>>>>>> I have no idea about relativity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't worry. Nobody of your fanatic bunch has.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...said Maciej Wozniak, who cannot answer simple test questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to see that you are just an angry idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably angry at everyone else because, justifiably, they make you feel incredibly stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rave, moron, and spit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If he wants to do that, it's none of your business. Just keep your distance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What else can you do
>>>>>>>>>> meeting someone that makes you feel incredibly
>>>>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it is you who cannot answer simple questions designed to test your
>>>>>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're too stupid to design a question, Jan. Face
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, my question was perfectly legit, stop lying about it. Here it is
>>>>>>> again: calculate the curvature of the graph of exp(z) (the complex
>>>>>>> exponential).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maciej lives for the same kind of world where reside Ken Seto and Ralph
>>>>>> Rabbidge and Robert Winn and the like. They are the advocates of the
>>>>>> everyman, people who want science to be not only accessible but easily
>>>>>> understandable to all. To this end, they insist that owe of most people are
>>>>>> okay in their day to day existence using nothing but 19th century
>>>>>> freshman physics and common sense, then this should be all there is to
>>>>>> physics. Lowest common denominator physics, the practical science that
>>>>>> every high school graduate might know.
>>>>>
>>>>> No idiot.... we object to the use of non-existing mathematical objects to explain the processes of nature.
>>>>
>>>> You say that the following things are non-existing, to which I would
>>>> simply ask -- how do you KNOW these do not exist?
>>>
>>>> A simpleton's answer would be to say, if these things existed then
>>>> everyone would know about them and see them in everyday life. But of
>>>> course, this is an idiotic complaint, because ... well, neutrinos,
>>>> chemical isomers, genes, prions,
>>>>
>>>> Not everything that really exists is obvious.
>>>>
>>>>> For example:
>>>>> 1. Physicists claim 11 or 26 dimensions of space and one dimension of time. But there are only three dimensions of space and one dimension of time.
>>>>
>>>> You don’t know that.
>>>
>>> 1. Because extra dimensions (other than the normal three dimensions) of space are not detected and are not detectable.
>>
>> They ARE detectable. There are experiments designed to detect them.
> 
> They are not detectable......no successful experiment performed to detect extra dimensions.

Those are in progress.

As I said to you earlier, in 1940 there were no successful experiments 
performed to detect neutrinos. This did NOT mean that neutrinos don't 
exist. They do exist and have always existed, even in 1940. However, 
they weren't found until the late 1950's. You can't say that neutrinos 
were undetectable, just because they weren't detected yet. They were 
detectable, but not detected until 1959.

Same thing for extra dimensions. They haven't been detected yet, but 
this doesn't mean they're not detectable.

> 
>>
>> Neutrinos existed before they were detected. Nobody could say "Neutrinos
>> do not exist because they haven't been detected" before the year of
>> their discovery in experiment.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. virtual particles pop in and out of empty space.
>>>>
>>>> And you don’t know they don't exist.
>>>
>>> 2. Virtual particles pop in and out of empty space to transmit forces seems magical. Model Mechanics offers a better model for force transmission: Mainly that interacting particles are confined to  the distorted geometries of the E-Matrix.
>>>      
>>>>> 3. Universal constant for the speed of light.....by definition the speed of anything (including the speed of light) is changeable.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. First of all there is no such definition of speed that
>>>> requires that. Secondly, human definitions do not determine what exists
>>>> and does not exist. You can't say something cannot exist because some
>>>> definition invented by a human says it can’t.
>>>
>>> 3. Yes there is such definition for speed......the only speed between two objects (or entities) that is not changeable is zero speed.
>>
>> And who says that?
> 
> Observations say that.

No sir. There is NO observation of the speed of light in vacuum being 
changeable.

> 
>> No physicist says that.
> 
> That’s irrelevant.....physicists are not infallible. They make mistakes and they don’t have physical explanation for all the processes of nature.

So it's just you that's saying it, and you're saying it's true by your 
DEFINITION.

> 
>> Remember, YOUR definitions do not count. You cannot make something exist
>> by YOU making a definition that says it can't happen. Nature doesn't
>> give a damn about your definitions.
> 
> All objects or processes (except light according to you and the physicists) obey my definition. Nature doesn’t give a damn about your exception.
> 

Nonsense. You cannot make something nonexistent by DEFINING things so 
that it can't happen.


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Re: Reality versus Math Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-05 22:49 -0700
  Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 07:56 +0200
    Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-05 23:28 -0700
      Re: Reality versus Math Groupie <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 02:21 -0700
        Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 02:37 -0700
          Re: Reality versus Math einstein.groupie69@gmail.com - 2017-06-06 09:30 -0700
            Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 10:44 -0700
              Re: Reality versus Math Wozniak <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 11:32 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 11:42 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 15:25 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 22:53 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 12:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ernardin Regoire <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-07 20:01 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 13:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:11 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:16 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 14:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:45 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 13:22 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 13:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 15:49 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:09 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 06:27 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 12:16 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 12:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:27 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 23:13 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-09 07:55 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 15:18 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-09 15:58 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 14:02 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 19:10 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 19:12 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-10 16:26 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:54 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 09:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:29 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 23:23 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 11:56 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 13:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-08 21:00 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 16:35 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:00 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 00:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-09 07:25 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-09 08:06 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 14:35 +0000
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