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Re: Reality versus Math

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On 6/8/17 8:27 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 6/7/17 2:52 PM, JanPB wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 10:53:13 PM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>> W dniu środa, 7 czerwca 2017 00:25:53 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 20:33:02 UTC+2 użytkownik Wozniak napisał:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 18:30:27 UTC+2 użytkownik einstein....@gmail.com napisał:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 11:37:04 PM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 11:21:37 UTC+2 użytkownik Groupie napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 8:28:13 PM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 07:56:13 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dne 06/06/2017 v 07:49 Eckard B napsal(a):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't the expression TOTAL NONSENSE indicate that Ed Lake might be wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The topic "reality vs. math" did certainly deserve being better discussed, cf. e.g. FQXi. For instance, the late Einstein admitted that the now worries him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously. Why? Reality is open in Popper's sense. Science can merely provide models.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Better wording would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      "Reality versus physical theories",
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as theories are reality models,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> involving mathematical description.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Math itself has nothing to do with reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of math, it's always good to remind that
>>>>>>>>>>>> your idiot guru has rejected it's oldest and
>>>>>>>>>>>> very important part. Because "common sense is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a collection of prejudices".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "You're dumber than dirt."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can't deny, but you can rave and spit.
>>>>>>>>>> As expected from a fanatic idiot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You really are one malignantly stupid speck of fecal matter!
>>>>>>>>> :))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You really can do nothing except raving and
>>>>>>>> spitting.
>>>>>>>> As expected from a relativistic moron.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Unplonk"
>>>>>>> I have no idea about relativity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't worry. Nobody of your fanatic bunch has.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...said Maciej Wozniak, who cannot answer simple test questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it's easy to see that you are just an angry idiot.
>>>>>>> You're probably angry at everyone else because, justifiably, they make you feel incredibly stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rave, moron, and spit.
>>>>>
>>>>> If he wants to do that, it's none of your business. Just keep your distance.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What else can you do
>>>>>> meeting someone that makes you feel incredibly
>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it is you who cannot answer simple questions designed to test your
>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> You're too stupid to design a question, Jan. Face
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> No, my question was perfectly legit, stop lying about it. Here it is
>>> again: calculate the curvature of the graph of exp(z) (the complex
>>> exponential).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jan
>>>
>>
>> Maciej lives for the same kind of world where reside Ken Seto and Ralph
>> Rabbidge and Robert Winn and the like. They are the advocates of the
>> everyman, people who want science to be not only accessible but easily
>> understandable to all. To this end, they insist that owe of most people are
>> okay in their day to day existence using nothing but 19th century
>> freshman physics and common sense, then this should be all there is to
>> physics. Lowest common denominator physics, the practical science that
>> every high school graduate might know.
> 
> No idiot.... we object to the use of non-existing mathematical objects to explain the processes of nature. 

You say that the following things are non-existing, to which I would 
simply ask -- how do you KNOW these do not exist?

A simpleton's answer would be to say, if these things existed then 
everyone would know about them and see them in everyday life. But of 
course, this is an idiotic complaint, because ... well, neutrinos, 
chemical isomers, genes, prions,

Not everything that really exists is obvious.

> For example:
> 1. Physicists claim 11 or 26 dimensions of space and one dimension of time. But there are only three dimensions of space and one dimension of time.

You don't know that.

> 2. virtual particles pop in and out of empty space.

And you don't know they don't exist.

> 3. Universal constant for the speed of light.....by definition the speed of anything (including the speed of light) is changeable.

Bullshit. First of all there is no such definition of speed that 
requires that. Secondly, human definitions do not determine what exists 
and does not exist. You can't say something cannot exist because some 
definition invented by a human says it can't.

> 
> Modern aether theories such as Model Mechanics eliminated these non-existing mathematical objects and provided physical explanations for all the processes of nature.
> 
>>
>> To them, that which is beyond that practical level, like subatomic
>> particles and expansion of the universe and quantum fields, is
>> unnecessary, and because it is unnecessary, it is wrong.
>>
>> Their motto is "I DENY your expertise. I DENY the value of what you call
>> knowledge. I DENY social admiration for scientists who do not stick with
>> the practical. I put my contempt for scientists in their faces."
>>
>> Here's the thing, though. This is a group devoted to fans of science. To
>> spend a lot of time speaking to a group of people he has no regard for
>> is a complete waste. It would be like me going every day to meetings of
>> astrologers and holistic healers, and I wouldn't dream of wasting my
>> time telling those people everyday what little I think of them. Who in
>> their right mind would do that? Who in their right mind would barge into
>> a group of people, saying "I find your kind repulsive. Pfpbffplbt!"
>>
>> Here's the answer: nobody in their right mind would do that.
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Re: Reality versus Math Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-05 22:49 -0700
  Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 07:56 +0200
    Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-05 23:28 -0700
      Re: Reality versus Math Groupie <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 02:21 -0700
        Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 02:37 -0700
          Re: Reality versus Math einstein.groupie69@gmail.com - 2017-06-06 09:30 -0700
            Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 10:44 -0700
              Re: Reality versus Math Wozniak <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 11:32 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 11:42 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 15:25 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 22:53 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 12:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ernardin Regoire <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-07 20:01 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 13:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:11 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:16 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 14:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:45 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 13:22 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 13:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 15:49 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:09 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 06:27 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 12:16 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 12:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:27 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 23:13 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-09 07:55 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 15:18 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-09 15:58 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 14:02 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 19:10 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 19:12 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-10 16:26 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:54 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 09:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:29 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 23:23 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 11:56 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 13:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-08 21:00 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 16:35 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:00 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 00:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-09 07:25 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-09 08:06 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 14:35 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Groupie <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 17:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-06 21:41 -0400
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 22:53 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 12:53 -0700

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