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Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers?

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On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:10:40 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
hondgm@yahoo.com wrote in
<2279bbfd-a251-41aa-bccd-dfe824cd1409@googlegroups.com>:

>On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 11:58:21 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Jun 2017 08:49:14 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
>> hondgm@.com wrote in
>> <7b11ca83-5bbd-4915-8955-08e571c42b61@googlegroups.com>:
>> 
>
>> I wrote my own PIC programmer software and use a modified 'noppp' program=
>mer
>> and guess what: it uses the PC parport (just a PCI par port card),
>> oh wait and I made an interface cable and wrote a Raspbery GPIO version.
>> 
>> Why not?
>> USB to serial adaptors plenty here too, but USB sucks.
>> The most useful thing about the old PCs is the parport as I/O.
>> 
>> It, PIC, is a freaking simple 3 or 2 wire programming system, WHY buy any=
>thing?
>>  http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html
>>   all done with that programmer and gpasm in Linux, and without MPlab.
>> 
>> I use the PC partport to test all sorts of i2c stuff from displays to
>> GHz chips.
>
>This is beside the point,

Not really,

>but to answer why buy anything?  Because some people don't have time to screw with it.

See, that is already where you go wrong,
Programming does not 'stop' there, now you have your programmer it only STARTS there,
And for you to proceed you MUST know how the programming works,
read the related documents, else your program will be just like many out there,
needless tinkering bloated crap.
It is like saying: 'I do not have to know how pliers work, I can just build the cabinet'.

There is a 'top down' approach, and in the end it results is an app called 'mama' that sits on the CEO's desk
and all he has to know and do is say 'mama I want <whatever>' and it will be done.
President's desk too...


>I could for example buy a PICkit for $50 and be done with it.

No, now you need to program, and guess what, learn what you wanted to skip to save time.


>Or, try to get several hours of free time without the kids bugging me and trying to ignore all the more important stuff I should be doing.  

Huh I am multitasking 99% if not more of the time.


>But the real question was why anyone is spending so much on such obsolete hardware.

Maybe they like it and it is not so 'obsolete' as you may think OR WANT OTHERS TO THINK
Comprendre?

And on that tune, show me some code you wrote,

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Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-06-02 08:49 -0700
  Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-02 16:58 +0000
    Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-06-02 10:10 -0700
      Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-02 18:06 +0000
        Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-06-02 11:59 -0700
          Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-02 19:21 +0000
            Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-06-02 12:43 -0700
              Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-02 20:43 +0000
                Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-06-02 18:29 -0700
              Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-06-03 11:44 -0400
                Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-06-04 04:44 -0700
          Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-06-02 14:59 -0500
      Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> - 2017-06-04 12:12 +1000
  Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-06-02 10:46 -0700
  Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-06-02 13:03 -0700
    Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-06-02 18:17 -0700
      Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-06-02 19:47 -0700
        Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-06-03 03:56 -0700
          Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-06-03 11:50 -0700
          Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Kamen Lilov <kamenl@gmail.com> - 2017-06-03 12:33 -0700
    Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-06-09 21:04 +0000
      Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-06-09 14:37 -0700
  Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2017-06-04 00:02 -0700
    Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-06-04 03:41 -0700
    Re: Why are people buying old Picstart Programmers? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-06-04 13:15 +0000

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