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Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places

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On 5/31/2017 7:14 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 3:11:55 PM UTC-4, Jamie M wrote:
>> On 5/30/2017 11:35 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 12:05:22 PM UTC-4, Jamie M wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Here are a couple studies showing the danger of vaccines related to
>>>> causing heart disease.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16780845
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26122188
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Jamie
>>>
>>> The study is most likely flawed for several reasons, the main one being it was not blind, the researchers actually knew the subjects. Secondly, the risk of CHD is a very strong function of the risk factors in the lifestyle of the individual and the history of those risk factors. Almost any kind of risk factor can make for a 5-10 increase of risk in developing CHD, and subjecting yourself to those risk factors has pretty much sealed your fate by age 40 regardless of abstinence from that point onward. In light of that kind of extreme sensitivity, those crummy little hazard ratios on the order of 0.9 are nearly insignificant. You show me a study where the risk factors were strictly and scientifically controlled. I suspect the researchers were not out to discover anything, they were out to prove childhood vaccination may not be such a good thing for CHD outcomes later in life.
>>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Both studies show a link between vaccination and coronory heart disease.
>>
>> The aim of the study from Pediatric Cardiology, University Hospital of
>> Lund, Lund, Sweden:
>>
>> "The aim of the study was to explore whether exposure to microbial
>> agents determines the prevalence of acute coronary events."
>>
>>
>> The aim of the study from Public Health, Department of Social Medicine,
>> Osaka University Graduate School of Medicine, Osaka, Japan:
>>
>> "Although it has been suggested that exposure to infections during
>> childhood could decrease risk of atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease
>> (CVD), the evidence is scarce. We investigated the association of
>> measles and mumps with CVD."
>>
>> cheers,
>> Jamie
> 
> Assuming the scientific validity of the results, the takeaway should be that people with a history free of childhood infections should avoid lifestyle choices that increase their chances of developing CHD, and not that vaccination programs be discontinued. Actually avoiding lifestyles choices that increase the risk of CHD is a good plan whether vaccinated or not.
> 

Better takeaway rather than the isolation strategy you suggest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party

cheers,
Jamie

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OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-29 09:05 -0700
  Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-29 09:24 -0700
    Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-29 12:56 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-05-29 14:22 -0700
        Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-29 17:32 -0700
          Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 18:25 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-05-29 14:24 -0700
        Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-29 17:35 -0700
          Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 19:05 -0700
            Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-05-30 12:43 -0700
              Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-30 13:16 -0700
                Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-05-30 14:35 -0700
                Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 19:19 -0700
            Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-31 13:35 +0100
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 18:13 -0700
  Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 18:09 -0700
  Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-05-30 11:35 -0700
    Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-30 12:11 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 19:19 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-05-31 07:14 -0700
        Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-31 21:31 -0700
          Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-06-02 09:32 -0700
            Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-06-02 10:49 -0700
              Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-06-02 22:08 +0100
                Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-06-05 13:45 -0700
                Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-05 19:24 -0700
              Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-02 18:46 -0700
  Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-05-31 12:47 +1000
    Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-31 21:50 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-01 15:01 +1000
        Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-06-02 10:59 -0700
          Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-02 18:40 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-06-01 13:10 +0800
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-01 01:07 -0700

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