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Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places

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On 5/31/2017 10:01 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 1/06/2017 2:50 PM, Jamie M wrote:
>> On 5/30/2017 7:47 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 30/05/2017 2:05 AM, Jamie M wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Here are a couple studies showing the danger of vaccines related to
>>>> causing heart disease.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16780845
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26122188
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Jamie
>>>
>>> These kinds of studies are always difficult to interpret. The sample
>>> populations necessarily exclude those who died from the complications
>>> of childhood illnesses. Vaccinations return to the population people
>>> who would otherwise have died, so when you see higher rates of heart
>>> disease in those populations, one possibility is that a predisposition
>>> to dying from childhood illnesses is causally related in some way to a
>>> predisposition to heart disease. That is, that the vaccines are not in
>>> fact causing the heart disease at all, but rather are allowing more
>>> people with a disposition towards heart disease to live long enough to
>>> suffer the effects.
>>>
>>> Now, that may not be what's happening, but it's a reasonable
>>> possibility. Correlation does not always imply causation.
>>>
>>> In any case, using such results to suggest avoidance of vaccines is
>>> like suggesting one not visit the doctor because one might be killed
>>> on the journey. One needs to look at the relative risks and benefits.
>>>
>>
>> The study's results add to the existing body of evidence that vaccines
>> cause harm in different ways.  These aren't new findings, just a
>> verification of pre existing evidence.
> 
> All analyses that look at historical data suffer from the same limitation.

You prefer to doubt causality rather than admit vaccines are dangerous?

cheers,
Jamie




> 
> Sylvia.

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OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-29 09:05 -0700
  Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-29 09:24 -0700
    Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-29 12:56 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-05-29 14:22 -0700
        Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-29 17:32 -0700
          Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 18:25 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-05-29 14:24 -0700
        Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-29 17:35 -0700
          Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 19:05 -0700
            Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-05-30 12:43 -0700
              Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-30 13:16 -0700
                Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-05-30 14:35 -0700
                Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 19:19 -0700
            Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-31 13:35 +0100
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 18:13 -0700
  Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 18:09 -0700
  Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-05-30 11:35 -0700
    Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-30 12:11 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 19:19 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-05-31 07:14 -0700
        Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-31 21:31 -0700
          Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-06-02 09:32 -0700
            Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-06-02 10:49 -0700
              Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-06-02 22:08 +0100
                Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-06-05 13:45 -0700
                Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-05 19:24 -0700
              Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-02 18:46 -0700
  Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-05-31 12:47 +1000
    Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-31 21:50 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-01 15:01 +1000
        Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-06-02 10:59 -0700
          Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-02 18:40 -0700
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-06-01 13:10 +0800
      Re: OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-01 01:07 -0700

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