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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe |
| Date | 2017-05-15 08:03 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
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On 5/15/17 7:56 AM, kenseto wrote: > On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:59:41 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 5/14/17 8:43 AM, kenseto wrote: >>> On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 2:54:45 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 5/13/17 8:37 AM, kenseto wrote: >>>>> On Friday, May 12, 2017 at 4:18:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> On 5/12/17 3:11 PM, kenseto wrote: >>>>>>> It is posited that these abstract mathematical objects do not exist in our universe physically. >>>>>> >>>>>> So let's see what things you think are mathematical. Let's take a look >>>>>> at the below list and see if you can say they are physical because you >>>>>> have direct observational experience with them. If you can't say you >>>>>> have direct observational experience, shouldn't you say they're all >>>>>> mathematical? >>>>>> >>>>>> - Atoms >>>>>> - Electrons >>>>>> - Neutrinos >>>>>> - Genes >>>>>> - Enzyme molecules >>>>>> - Molecular isomers >>>>>> - Energy >>>>>> - Plasma >>>>>> - Magnetic field >>>>>> - Covalent bond >>>>> >>>>> These items are detected >>>> >>>> Ah, good, so tell me how genes are detected? What about molecular >>>> isomers? What about covalent bonds? >>> >>> What is your point? >> >> My point is you claim these are detected but you can't say how. So you >> don’t actually know if they've been directly detected or not. > > Some detected by microscope, some detected by by streaks in liquid.....but how does that refute the PT or Model mechanics? Molecular isomers were not detected by microscope or by streaks in liquid. Do you know what molecular isomers are? Covalent bonds, energy, magnetic field, plasma were not discovered by microscope or by streaks in liquid. You don't know whether these things have been detected or not, do you? > >> >>> Model mechanics does not refute the normal way of detecting these particles. >>> Model Mechanics provides a physical explanation how these particles are formed. >>> BTW how does Math provides detection procedure to detect these particles??? >>> >>>> >>>> And neutrinos were predicted in 1930 and detected in 1956. So in 1940, >>>> after the prediction and before the detection, did neutrinos exist? Yes, >>>> of course they existed in 1940. >>> >>> What is your post? Model Mechanics predicts that neutrino was formed during the Big Bang. >> >> That's a postdiction. In 1940, did neutrinos exist or not? > > If it is detected then it exists. In 1940, neutrinos were not detected yet. They were detected in 1956. They were predicted in 1930. Did neutrinos exist in 1940 or not? > Model mechanics accepts the existence of neutrino and it is the first particle born during the Big Bang. See Chapter 6 of my book. >> >>> >>>> Likewise, dark matter was first concretely proposed in the 1970s and >>>> hasn't yet been predicted. So right now we are in the same place we were >>>> with neutrinos in 1940. So if neutrinos existed in 1940, how do you know >>>> dark matter does not exist today? >>> >>> What is your point? Model mechanics proposes that dark matters are free S-Patricles. >>> Read the Chapter. Read Chapter 6 of my book. >>> >> >> So it’s interesting, isn't it,after Ken, that from one side of your mouth you >> say that dark matter is a nonsense concept that stems from a >> mathematical approach to physics. > > No dark matter and dark energy were not stem from a mathematical approach.....they were invented > to fit observations. BTW I never said that Dark Matter and Dark energy are nonsense. I said that > physicists have no idea what they were. Here is what YOU said in your first post in this thread: "The peril of using these unbounded rules of math will lead to unphysical and abstract mathematical objects or processes such as: unlimited number of space dimensions, fields/virtual particles, infinities, space-time, curvature in space-time, time dilation, length contraction, action at a distance, curled-up dimensions, Entanglement, Dark Energy, Dark Matter....etc." You very definitely said that dark matter and dark energy are unphysical and abstract mathematical objects. Then you turned right around and said they are real and described by Model Mechanics. So it turns out you say opposite things from different sides of your mouth. > > Model mechanics posits the existence of these particles as follows: > 1. Dark Matters are the free S-Patricles--those S-Patricles that are not orbiting around an E-String. > 2. Dark Energy is the observed fact that object follow the the divergent geometries of the E-Matrix--dur > to the orbiting motion of the S-Paticles that composed the object. > >> Then you say that dark matter is real >> and should be understood as free S-particles. So you say it's not real >> and then say it’s real in short order. > > I never said that Drak Matter is not real---I said that physicists have no idea what dark matter is composed > of. How can I say dark matter is not real when Model Mechanics explains that dark matters are the free S-Particles??? Exactly. Now look at your first post in this thread, where you explicitly stated that it is unphysical and an abstract mathematical object. Idiot. Flaming idiot. Kerosene-soaked flaming idiot. > > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-12 13:11 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 15:18 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-13 06:37 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 13:54 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-14 06:43 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 16:59 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-15 05:56 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 08:03 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-15 10:06 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 12:14 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 15:20 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-13 02:37 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-13 16:05 +0000
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-13 06:52 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-13 16:14 +0000
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Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Houchiko Inatsuki <uatci@swckskuwe.io> - 2017-05-14 12:47 +0000
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-14 15:11 +0000
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 13:56 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-14 06:50 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Houchiko Inatsuki <uatci@swckskuwe.io> - 2017-05-14 13:58 +0000
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Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 17:02 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-15 06:07 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 08:24 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-15 09:39 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 11:52 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-15 10:15 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 12:55 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-16 04:21 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:43 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-16 12:32 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 16:14 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-17 05:50 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 11:15 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-15 23:26 -0700
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Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-13 20:01 -0700
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Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Houchiko Inatsuki <uatci@swckskuwe.io> - 2017-05-13 14:54 +0000
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:01 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Houchiko Inatsuki <uatci@swckskuwe.io> - 2017-05-13 15:08 +0000
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 14:39 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-16 04:51 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe 01405 <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 06:22 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-17 05:44 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 11:07 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-17 18:41 +0000
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-16 15:27 +0000
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:42 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-16 12:29 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 16:13 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-17 05:57 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 11:18 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-17 18:30 +0000
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:48 -0500
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-16 12:36 -0700
Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 16:15 -0500
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