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Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe
Date 2017-05-14 16:59 -0500
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On 5/14/17 8:43 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 2:54:45 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 5/13/17 8:37 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 12, 2017 at 4:18:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/17 3:11 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> It is posited that these abstract mathematical objects do not exist in our universe physically.
>>>>
>>>> So let's see what things you think are mathematical. Let's take a look
>>>> at the below list and see if you can say they are physical because you
>>>> have direct observational experience with them. If you can't say you
>>>> have direct observational experience, shouldn't you say they're all
>>>> mathematical?
>>>>
>>>> - Atoms
>>>> - Electrons
>>>> - Neutrinos
>>>> - Genes
>>>> - Enzyme molecules
>>>> - Molecular isomers
>>>> - Energy
>>>> - Plasma
>>>> - Magnetic field
>>>> - Covalent bond
>>>
>>> These items are detected
>>
>> Ah, good, so tell me how genes are detected? What about molecular
>> isomers? What about covalent bonds?
> 
> What is your point? 

My point is you claim these are detected but you can't say how. So you 
don't actually know if they've been directly detected or not.

> Model mechanics does not refute the normal way of detecting these particles. 
> Model Mechanics provides a physical explanation how these particles are formed. 
> BTW how does Math provides detection procedure to detect these particles???
> 
>>
>> And neutrinos were predicted in 1930 and detected in 1956. So in 1940,
>> after the prediction and before the detection, did neutrinos exist? Yes,
>> of course they existed in 1940.
> 
> What is your post? Model Mechanics predicts that neutrino was formed during the Big Bang.

That's a postdiction. In 1940, did neutrinos exist or not?

> 
>> Likewise, dark matter was first concretely proposed in the 1970s and
>> hasn't yet been predicted. So right now we are in the same place we were
>> with neutrinos in 1940. So if neutrinos existed in 1940, how do you know
>> dark matter does not exist today?
> 
> What is your point? Model mechanics proposes that dark matters are free S-Patricles. 
> Read the Chapter. Read Chapter 6 of my book.
> 

So it's interesting, isn't it, Ken, that from one side of your mouth you 
say that dark matter is a nonsense concept that stems from a 
mathematical approach to physics. Then you say that dark matter is real 
and should be understood as free S-particles. So you say it's not real 
and then say it's real in short order.

You can't figure out WHAT you want to say, can you?


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-12 13:11 -0700
  Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 15:18 -0500
    Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-13 06:37 -0700
      Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 13:54 -0500
        Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-14 06:43 -0700
          Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 16:59 -0500
            Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-15 05:56 -0700
              Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 08:03 -0500
                Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-15 10:06 -0700
                Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 12:14 -0500
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    Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-13 02:37 -0700
      Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-13 16:05 +0000
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          Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-14 15:11 +0000
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            Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-15 06:07 -0700
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                Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-15 09:39 -0700
                Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 11:52 -0500
                Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-15 10:15 -0700
                Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 12:55 -0500
                Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-16 04:21 -0700
                Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:43 -0500
                Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-16 12:32 -0700
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                Re: Unbounded math rules lead to a failed and unphysical model of our universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 11:15 -0500
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