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Re: GPS and your predictions

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: GPS and your predictions
Date	2017-05-05 09:07 -0500
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On 5/5/17 1:22 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> W dniu piątek, 5 maja 2017 00:22:43 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:
>>>> The agreement between GPS clocks and ground clocks is POST CORRECTION.
>>>> The correction has already been made, based on the known physical effect.
>>>
>>> Do you know your idiot guru's definition of
>>> time? TIME IS WHAT CLOCKS INDICATE.
>>
>> Not just any clocks. Clocks calibrated in identical ways.
> 
> Bullshit. 

No, it's really true. Clocks calibrated in identical ways.

> I've already asked - take two identical pendulum clocks
> to GPS. Will they indicate 38us of difference?

You can't calibrate pendulums identically with one of them in orbit. The 
pendulum clock will not work at all in orbit.

> Have you READ your guru's definition of time? I'll
> help you.
> http://hermes.ffn.ub.es/luisnavarro/nuevo_maletin/Einstein_1905_relativity.pdf
> No "identical clocks". Sorry.

Don't try to overanalyze by sound bite.

> And, anyway, as we don't build identical clocks (GPS)
> the value of your prophecies about them is - well -
> questionable.

That's exactly right! The GPS and ground clocks are NOT identically 
calibrated. Therefore there is no prediction of relativity that is 
falsified by the GPS clocks, because the prediction of relativity 
pertains to identically calibrated clocks.

> 
> 
> 
>>> Clocks of GPS indicate there is no this "physical
>>> effect" of yours. Game over.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Again, why do you think having synchronized clocks is more important and
>>>> useful?
>>>
>>> Well, maybe I'm wrong? Convince GPS staff to change
>>> them your way. If you succeed, I'll change my mind.
>>> OK?
>>
>> Why? I'm happy with the correction they built in.
> 
> Because you want to prove me unsynchronized clocks
> are proper, fine and useful, as your idiot guru told
> us. Have you forgot?

No, I'm not trying to convince you that unsynchronized clocks are proper 
and useful. It DEPENDS ON THE APPLICATION. Sometimes, it's useful to 
synchronize the clocks and ignore the symmetry of the physical laws, and 
sometimes it's useful to utilize the symmetry of physical laws and allow 
the clocks to be unsynchronized.

It depends on the application. THAT should be obvious from common sense.

> 
> 
> 
> 
>> For this PARTICULAR
>> purpose
> 
> So, show me another particular purpose, where the
> situation is opposite and your moronic concept of
> proper clocks shows its usefulness.

I already gave you one. Suppose you want to design a pendulum clock for 
operation in a mountain resort. You are going to use a heavy mass and an 
expensive carbon fiber rod for the pendulum. What will you use to design 
the pendulum? Or will you do it just by trial and error?

> 
> Well, as for now there is no such purpose:( 

Oh, but there is. There are other technologies other than GPS you know.

> But it
> will surely appear sometime - your "common sense
> is a set of prejudices" guru simply couldn't be wrong...
> Could he?
> 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 05:59 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:03 +0200
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:24 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:37 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:43 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 13:04 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:30 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 10:09 -0500
        Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:26 +0000
          Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:53 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:03 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 18:09 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:19 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 18:33 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:40 +0000
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 09:00 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:11 +0000
          Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 12:11 -0500
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 12:20 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 14:45 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:50 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:22 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 23:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:07 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:08 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:09 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:11 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 08:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:34 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:16 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 15:57 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:04 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:07 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:24 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 13:05 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:28 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 23:23 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 13:09 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 06:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:31 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:29 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 07:00 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:30 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 09:27 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:03 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:33 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:13 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 20:31 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:11 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 15:15 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 06:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:08 -0500
          Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 00:27 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 23:24 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 11:58 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 21:23 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:21 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-08 13:36 +0000
  Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 14:58 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:25 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:55 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:07 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 09:03 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:31 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 21:21 +0000
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 15:01 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-04 22:24 +0200
      Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 22:35 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:59 -0700
        Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 21:04 +0100
          Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 13:27 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 23:15 +0100
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 17:22 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:58 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:09 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 01:23 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:35 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 15:44 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:54 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:05 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-08 12:25 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 20:34 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 20:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-09 16:45 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-09 10:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-09 10:03 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-06 06:37 +0200
              Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:23 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 09:17 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 18:18 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 20:41 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:20 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:07 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 22:17 +0000
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:21 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 08:01 +0100
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 09:39 +0200
      Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 16:32 -0500
        Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-05 10:15 +0200
          Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 01:52 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:00 -0500
              Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:15 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:10 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:14 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:14 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 08:34 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:38 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:30 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:00 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:12 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:25 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 13:09 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:31 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 23:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:32 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 07:13 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:24 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 09:21 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:00 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 23:51 +0100
          Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:26 -0500
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:13 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:13 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:18 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:15 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 12:33 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:50 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:01 -0500
      Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:52 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 07:43 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:17 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 09:21 -0700
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 09:49 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 10:22 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-06 11:51 -0700

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