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Re: GPS and your predictions

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: GPS and your predictions
Date 2017-05-04 14:45 -0500
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On 5/4/17 2:20 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> W dniu czwartek, 4 maja 2017 19:11:53 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:
> 
>>> I'm saying that your Shit has predicted 38 us of "time dilation",
>>> i.e. 38 us of difference in clocks indications, and instead  we
>>> observe is 38us clock correction (i.e. 38 us of good,
>>> old, absolutely classical clock error).
>>>
>>
>> I believe exactly the same thing is done with the GPS clocks as is done
>> in the survey. Because of a known physical effect (refraction),
>> surveyors make a CORRECTION to compensate for the effect, to produce the
>> results without the effect being apparent. Because of a known physical
>> effect (time dilation), GPS engineers make a CORRECTION to compensate
>> for the effect, to produce the results without the effect being apparent.
> 
> Unfortunately, the alleged "known physical effect" you
> mentioned should lie in a difference of clocks indications.
> Any description of your "time dilation" includes this
> difference.

The prediction of relativity has to do with a known physical effect 
between two clocks calibrated in identical ways. The GPS and ground 
clocks are not calibrated in identical ways. There is no specific 
prediction of relativity that is wrong about two clocks calibrated in 
identical ways.

The agreement between GPS clocks and ground clocks is POST CORRECTION. 
The correction has already been made, based on the known physical effect.

> And, when talking of GPS, such  difference exists only
> in your imagination.
> 
> Thus, the real, observed effect doesn't match the description
> of "time dilation" at all:( But matches perfectly good,
> old clock error instead.
> 
> 
>> Now, I believe some crappy engineers will go ahead and make an ad hoc
>> correction just because it works. Good engineers do not have to make ad
>> hoc corrections, because they know the effects they have to correct for.
> 
> Both groups jointly piss  at idiot physicist
> announcing "standard" for the sake of Great Mystical
> Symmetry and insisting that clocks should be proper
> and fine when left unsynchronized.

Again, why do you think having synchronized clocks is more important and 
useful? If you don't have a good reason other than disparaging any other 
approach as being "Great Mystical", then maybe you can't explain 
yourself at all.


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 05:59 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:03 +0200
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:24 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:37 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:43 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 13:04 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:30 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 10:09 -0500
        Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:26 +0000
          Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:53 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:03 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 18:09 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:19 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 18:33 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:40 +0000
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 09:00 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:11 +0000
          Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 12:11 -0500
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 12:20 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 14:45 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:50 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:22 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 23:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:07 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:08 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:09 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:11 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 08:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:34 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:16 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 15:57 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:04 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:07 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:24 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 13:05 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:28 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 23:23 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 13:09 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 06:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:31 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:29 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 07:00 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:30 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 09:27 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:03 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:33 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:13 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 20:31 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:11 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 15:15 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 06:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:08 -0500
          Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 00:27 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 23:24 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 11:58 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 21:23 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:21 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-08 13:36 +0000
  Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 14:58 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:25 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:55 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:07 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 09:03 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:31 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 21:21 +0000
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 15:01 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-04 22:24 +0200
      Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 22:35 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:59 -0700
        Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 21:04 +0100
          Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 13:27 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 23:15 +0100
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 17:22 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:58 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:09 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 01:23 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:35 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 15:44 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:54 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:05 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-08 12:25 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 20:34 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 20:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-09 16:45 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-09 10:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-09 10:03 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-06 06:37 +0200
              Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:23 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 09:17 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 18:18 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 20:41 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:20 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:07 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 22:17 +0000
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:21 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 08:01 +0100
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 09:39 +0200
      Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 16:32 -0500
        Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-05 10:15 +0200
          Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 01:52 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:00 -0500
              Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:15 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:10 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:14 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:14 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 08:34 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:38 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:30 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:00 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:12 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:25 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 13:09 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:31 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 23:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:32 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 07:13 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:24 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 09:21 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:00 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 23:51 +0100
          Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:26 -0500
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:13 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:13 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:18 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:15 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 12:33 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:50 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:01 -0500
      Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:52 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 07:43 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:17 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 09:21 -0700
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 09:49 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 10:22 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-06 11:51 -0700

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