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Re: GPS and your predictions

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: GPS and your predictions
Date 2017-05-04 17:22 -0500
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On 5/4/17 4:50 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> W dniu czwartek, 4 maja 2017 21:45:57 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:
> 
>>> Unfortunately, the alleged "known physical effect" you
>>> mentioned should lie in a difference of clocks indications.
>>> Any description of your "time dilation" includes this
>>> difference.
>>
>> The prediction of relativity has to do with a known physical effect
>> between two clocks calibrated in identical ways.
> 
> The prediction of your shit are direct: clocks
> indications will be unsynchronized. Unfortunately,
> they fails.

No sir. There's a very careful stipulation that the clocks be calibrated 
in identical ways for the effect to appear.

> 
> 
>> The GPS and ground
>> clocks are not calibrated in identical ways.
> 
> What a surprise.
> 
> 
>> There is no specific
>> prediction of relativity that is wrong about two clocks calibrated in
>> identical ways.
> 
> Wrong. Take 2 pendulum clocks calibrated indentical way.
> Take one of them at GPS satellite. Will it indicate
> 38us difference?

A pendulum clock will not operate in orbit. Therefore it cannot be 
calibrated in identical ways.

> 
> 
>   
>> The agreement between GPS clocks and ground clocks is POST CORRECTION.
>> The correction has already been made, based on the known physical effect.
> 
> Do you know your idiot guru's definition of
> time? TIME IS WHAT CLOCKS INDICATE.

Not just any clocks. Clocks calibrated in identical ways.
This is where taking pithy comments and taking them as rigid laws 
accomplishes nothing.

> Clocks of GPS indicate there is no this "physical
> effect" of yours. Game over.
> 
> 
>> Again, why do you think having synchronized clocks is more important and
>> useful?
> 
> Well, maybe I'm wrong? Convince GPS staff to change
> them your way. If you succeed, I'll change my mind.
> OK?

Why? I'm happy with the correction they built in. For this PARTICULAR 
purpose, having the clocks synchronized is useful, because for this 
PARTICULAR purpose, the symmetry of the laws of physics is not as 
important. But for other purposes, it makes less sense. I gave you a 
question about how to design a pendulum clock. Do you want to use a law 
of physics to design it, or do you want to just do some trial-and-error 
stuff? What would a GOOD engineer do?


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 05:59 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:03 +0200
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:24 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:37 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:43 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 13:04 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:30 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 10:09 -0500
        Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:26 +0000
          Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:53 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:03 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 18:09 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:19 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 18:33 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:40 +0000
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 09:00 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:11 +0000
          Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 12:11 -0500
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 12:20 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 14:45 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:50 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:22 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 23:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:07 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:08 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:09 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:11 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 08:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:34 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:16 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 15:57 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:04 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:07 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:24 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 13:05 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:28 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 23:23 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 13:09 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 06:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:31 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:29 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 07:00 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:30 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 09:27 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:03 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:33 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:13 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 20:31 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:11 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 15:15 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 06:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:08 -0500
          Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 00:27 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 23:24 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 11:58 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 21:23 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:21 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-08 13:36 +0000
  Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 14:58 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:25 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:55 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:07 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 09:03 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:31 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 21:21 +0000
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 15:01 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-04 22:24 +0200
      Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 22:35 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:59 -0700
        Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 21:04 +0100
          Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 13:27 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 23:15 +0100
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 17:22 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:58 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:09 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 01:23 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:35 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 15:44 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:54 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:05 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-08 12:25 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 20:34 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 20:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-09 16:45 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-09 10:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-09 10:03 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-06 06:37 +0200
              Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:23 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 09:17 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 18:18 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 20:41 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:20 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:07 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 22:17 +0000
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:21 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 08:01 +0100
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 09:39 +0200
      Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 16:32 -0500
        Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-05 10:15 +0200
          Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 01:52 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:00 -0500
              Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:15 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:10 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:14 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:14 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 08:34 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:38 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:30 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:00 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:12 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:25 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 13:09 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:31 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 23:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:32 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 07:13 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:24 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 09:21 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:00 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 23:51 +0100
          Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:26 -0500
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:13 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:13 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:18 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:15 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 12:33 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:50 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:01 -0500
      Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:52 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 07:43 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:17 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 09:21 -0700
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 09:49 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 10:22 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-06 11:51 -0700

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