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Re: GPS and your predictions

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: GPS and your predictions
Date 2017-05-04 12:11 -0500
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On 5/4/17 11:00 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> W dniu czwartek, 4 maja 2017 17:09:09 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:
>> On 5/4/17 8:30 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> Because if we're correcting it, it has to be an error.
>>> If it was  proper (as your Shit preticted) we'd not
>>> correct it. Things that are "proper" don't need corrections.
>>> I know. It's so complicated... and you're just a poor
>>> relativistic fanatic.
>>
>> I'm not following your thinking.
>>
>> Surveyors do a CORRECTION in long sight-line surveys, that is based on a
>> known physical effect -- the refraction of light due to density
>> gradients of air. This refraction is a prediction of classical optical
>> theory and classical theory of gases. The response by surveyors is to
>> CORRECT for it.
>>
>> You're saying that if the refraction were in fact true, surveyors should
>> not make a CORRECTION for it in order to do their job?
> 
> No, poor idiot. It's you saying that.
> I'm saying that your Shit has predicted 38 us of "time dilation",
> i.e. 38 us of difference in clocks indications, and instead  we
> observe is 38us clock correction (i.e. 38 us of good,
> old, absolutely classical clock error).
> 

I believe exactly the same thing is done with the GPS clocks as is done 
in the survey. Because of a known physical effect (refraction), 
surveyors make a CORRECTION to compensate for the effect, to produce the 
results without the effect being apparent. Because of a known physical 
effect (time dilation), GPS engineers make a CORRECTION to compensate 
for the effect, to produce the results without the effect being apparent.

Now, I believe some crappy engineers will go ahead and make an ad hoc 
correction just because it works. Good engineers do not have to make ad 
hoc corrections, because they know the effects they have to correct for.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 05:59 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:03 +0200
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:24 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:37 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:43 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 13:04 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 06:30 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 10:09 -0500
        Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:26 +0000
          Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:53 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:03 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 18:09 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:19 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 18:33 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:40 +0000
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 09:00 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:11 +0000
          Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 12:11 -0500
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 12:20 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 14:45 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:50 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:22 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 23:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:07 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:08 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:09 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:11 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 08:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:34 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:16 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 15:57 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:04 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:07 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:24 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 13:05 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:28 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 23:23 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 13:09 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 06:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:31 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:29 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 07:00 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:30 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 09:27 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:03 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:33 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:13 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 20:31 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:11 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 15:15 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 06:22 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:08 -0500
          Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 00:27 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 23:24 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 11:58 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 21:23 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:21 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-08 13:36 +0000
  Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 14:58 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 15:25 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:55 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:07 +0000
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 09:03 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Ernest Schillaci <lgunse@nteeqea.gl> - 2017-05-04 16:31 +0000
      Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-04 21:21 +0000
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 15:01 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-04 22:24 +0200
      Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 22:35 +0200
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:59 -0700
        Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 21:04 +0100
          Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 13:27 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 23:15 +0100
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 17:22 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:58 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:09 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 01:23 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:35 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 15:44 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:54 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 23:05 +0000
              Re: GPS and your predictions Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-08 12:25 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 20:34 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 20:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-09 16:45 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-09 10:25 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-09 10:03 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-06 06:37 +0200
              Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:23 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 09:17 +0200
                Re: GPS and your predictions Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 18:18 +0000
                Re: GPS and your predictions pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 20:41 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:20 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 00:07 +0200
            Re: GPS and your predictions Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-05 22:17 +0000
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:21 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 08:01 +0100
              Re: GPS and your predictions Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 09:39 +0200
      Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 16:32 -0500
        Re: GPS and your predictions Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-05 10:15 +0200
          Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 01:52 -0700
            Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:00 -0500
              Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:15 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:10 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:14 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:14 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 08:34 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:38 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:30 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:00 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 14:12 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:25 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 13:09 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:31 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 23:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:32 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 07:13 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:24 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 09:21 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:00 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:28 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 23:51 +0100
          Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:26 -0500
            Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:13 -0700
              Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:13 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:18 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:15 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 12:33 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:50 -0500
                Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-06 13:35 -0700
                Re: GPS and your predictions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:01 -0500
      Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:52 -0700
  Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 07:43 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:17 -0700
      Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 09:21 -0700
        Re: GPS and your predictions mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 09:49 -0700
          Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 10:22 -0700
    Re: GPS and your predictions Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-06 11:51 -0700

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