Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 )

From	Alex <alex@rivadpm.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 )
Date	2017-04-16 09:07 +0100
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On 4/16/2017 01:18, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
> Note that rquotations are for Traditional Forth which is a simple
> Forth standard. These are easy to implement. By comparison, fat-xt 
> quotations are for Straight Forth. These require a 64-bit cell so
> there is room for both  the cfa and the local-frame pointer in one cell.>
> An RQ is not the same as an XT --- an RQ is not known at 
> compile-time.
> 
> Earlier I gave this list of new functions:
> 
> 7.) We need the following words: VOCNO@ ( xt -- vocno ) SMUDGE@ ( xt
> -- smudged? ) SMUDGEABLE@ ( xt -- smudge-ready? ) IMMEDIATE@ ( xt --
> immediate? ) VOCNO! ( vocno xt -- ) SMUDGE! ( flag xt -- ) 
> SMUDGEABLE! ( flag xt -- ) IMMEDIATE! ( flag xt -- ) LATEST ( -- xt )
> \ the latest definition compiled DICTIONARY-TRAVERSE ( xt -- )  \
> execute the XT for every dictionary entry, giving it the xt of the
> entry :NAME ( vocno -- )  \string: name --  \ like colon except uses
> NAME as the name and puts the word in the VOCNO vocabulary
> 
> Note that these take an XT as a parameter. They can't be given an RQ
> because an RQ and an XT are different. This list was for Traditional
> Forth that would have rquotations.
> 
> In Straight Forth there would be fat-xt quotations. There would be
> no such thing as an RQ but both colon words and quotations have an
> xt. So, we would need the addition of this function:
> 
> QUOTATION@ ( xt -- flag )  \ true for a quotation or false for a 
> colon word
> 
> Note that there is no QUOTATION! because we can't change a word from 
> being a colon word to being a quotation, or vice-versa.

This is all implementation again. What you are doing here is starting 
from the wrong place, and then building a huge baroque structure over 
the top of it; it is largely unintelligible to anyone except you.

We've waited for a number of years now (five? more?) for the promised 
StraightForth to see the light of day as a standard, and all you post is 
fragments of unworkable implementation.

-- 
Alex

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Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 13:49 -0700
  Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:11 -0400
    Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:40 -0700
      Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 18:17 -0400
        Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 15:26 -0700
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 19:11 -0400
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-11 13:13 -1000
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 06:11 -0700
      Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-11 13:12 -1000
        Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 16:38 -0700
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 16:46 -0700
            Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-11 17:17 -0700
              Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:45 -0700
              Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-12 04:27 -0500
            Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 06:13 -0700
              Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-14 10:23 -1000
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 20:17 -0400
            Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:35 -0700
              Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 20:43 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:47 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 18:36 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:35 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-12 17:27 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-13 03:06 +0200
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-12 21:06 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-12 20:00 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 06:44 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-13 15:44 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 14:04 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 11:08 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 13:23 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-14 22:42 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-14 22:38 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-15 13:44 +0200
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 10:28 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-14 22:24 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-15 13:54 +0200
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 15:02 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 15:40 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-16 10:28 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 22:12 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 23:37 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 15:31 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 20:43 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-15 18:14 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 21:49 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 20:20 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-16 20:41 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 09:03 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-16 20:49 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 09:25 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-17 16:32 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 22:19 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-18 13:51 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 02:15 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-19 10:54 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-19 11:03 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-17 12:37 -1000
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-15 17:18 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-16 09:07 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 23:26 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:47 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 19:53 -0400
              Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 19:03 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:45 -0700
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-12 01:15 -0700
            Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:51 -0700
  Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 18:47 -0700
  Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 01:19 -0700
    Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:57 -0700
  Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-12 09:14 +0000
    Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 17:00 -0700
  Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-04-13 10:15 +1000
    Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-04-13 13:17 +1000
      Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 06:46 -0700
    Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 05:59 -0700
      Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-04-14 11:26 +1000

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