Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 )

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 )
Date	2017-04-17 22:12 -0400
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On 4/16/2017 1:28 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
> воскресенье, 16 апреля 2017 г., 1:40:36 UTC+3 пользователь Julian Fondren написал:
>> On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 5:02:34 PM UTC-5, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
>>> 2. Do you think we need to communicate with other forthers in the world even they don't want to be an equal partners?
>>> No, it is just time wasting, leave them alone - 4
>>> Hmm, let's try, maybe it will be some useful - 1
>>>
>>> So I'm trying :)
>>
>> Suppose that other forthers in the world wanted to be equal partners
>> with you.
>>
>> How would you know that this is the case?
>>
>> How would circumstances not look exactly as they do right now?
>
> I can tell some stories about non-equal partnership. Earlier when one of my translators becomes known I had contact with SP-Forth team. They claims it was 'standard de-facto for Russia' :) Indeed, it is ANS-compatible since I don't remember exactly, but long time ago. I ask them some questions about goals, criteria, perspective plans, with no answer. Just 'we have cool stuff here and we are ANS-compatible, don't be individual and come to our team'. At that time it was very hard, because of several successfully projects done and several peoples near me was greatly impressed by Forth abilities. Of course, my main goal was to meet real demands of practical programmers near me, not fantasies of distant ones. Now SP-Forth is bad enough and his author no longer use Forth at this work.
>
> Near 2003, known enough in Russia Technoforth company ask me... to stop my Forth activity :) They have read my articles and his CEO writes me a letter with proposal to become their regional sales manager ('because it seems you know something about Forth'). Near 2008 their big customer cancel partnership with them and start to work with my team. It was surprisingly for me, because they told me nothing about existing relation with Technoforth and I took absolutely nothing effort to represent Technoforth in bad light. Shortly after this they were gone from business.
>
> The scenario was very predictable
> - We are great! Join us!
> - Ok, let's start, and I have some proposals for you to improve Forth accordingly to our positive experience.
> - We don't need your proposals, just join us and start to do that we order!
> <Several years>
> <They are feels bad or gone>
>
> Now I want to take a look on ANS-committee & Forth Inc :)

Why are you ignoring MPE?

-- 

Rick C

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Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 13:49 -0700
  Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:11 -0400
    Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:40 -0700
      Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 18:17 -0400
        Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 15:26 -0700
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 19:11 -0400
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-11 13:13 -1000
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 06:11 -0700
      Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-11 13:12 -1000
        Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 16:38 -0700
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 16:46 -0700
            Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-11 17:17 -0700
              Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:45 -0700
              Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-12 04:27 -0500
            Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 06:13 -0700
              Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-14 10:23 -1000
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 20:17 -0400
            Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:35 -0700
              Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 20:43 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:47 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 18:36 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:35 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-12 17:27 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-13 03:06 +0200
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-12 21:06 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-12 20:00 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 06:44 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-13 15:44 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 14:04 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 11:08 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 13:23 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-14 22:42 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-14 22:38 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-15 13:44 +0200
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 10:28 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-14 22:24 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-15 13:54 +0200
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 15:02 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 15:40 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-16 10:28 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 22:12 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 23:37 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 15:31 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 20:43 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-15 18:14 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 21:49 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 20:20 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-16 20:41 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 09:03 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-16 20:49 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 09:25 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-17 16:32 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 22:19 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-18 13:51 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 02:15 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-19 10:54 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-19 11:03 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-17 12:37 -1000
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-15 17:18 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-16 09:07 +0100
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 23:26 -0400
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:47 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 19:53 -0400
              Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 19:03 -0700
                Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:45 -0700
          Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-12 01:15 -0700
            Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:51 -0700
  Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 18:47 -0700
  Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 01:19 -0700
    Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:57 -0700
  Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-12 09:14 +0000
    Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 17:00 -0700
  Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-04-13 10:15 +1000
    Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-04-13 13:17 +1000
      Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 06:46 -0700
    Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 05:59 -0700
      Re: Russians about standard (survey taken in 2010 ) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-04-14 11:26 +1000

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