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On 3/26/2017 1:29 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 26/03/17 19:31, Don Y wrote:
>> On 3/26/2017 4:46 AM, Paul wrote:
>>> In article <ob82it$k4u$1@dont-email.me>, blockedofcourse@foo.invalid
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 3/26/2017 1:17 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>>> Don't forget the (metaphorical) killer: company goes out
>>>>> of business or switches to incompatible products.
>>>>
>>>> I am surprised at how oblivious people seem to be to this sort
>>>> of thing -- including corporate customers (i.e., trusting
>>>> their data and business to The Cloud)!  Either they don't
>>>> seem to think it can happen *or* they think something will
>>>> magically rescue/protect them from this...  :<
>>>
>>> Unfortunately most people especially the higher you go up the
>>> mamangement chain have long ago been hyptonised by style over
>>> substance, or soundbites or marketing hype.
>>>
>>> Too many people believe in the "Magic Technology Bullet" to fix
>>> anything.
>>
>> I think Manglement is just being opportunistic:  hoping/wanting
>> someone to make *their* problem(s) go away.  Easier to buy in to
>> something and LATER blame that something for not being what it
>> *should* have been than to actually tackle the (THEIR) problem
>> themselves!
>>
>>      "I trusted <them> ... and <they> let me down (implicit in
>>      this is that it is not *my* fault... I should be absolved
>>      even from my poor assessment of their trustworthiness!)"
>
> Half right.
>
> They change jobs every 2 years, which means...

That's not true of all.  E.g., folks who own their own businesses.
I noticed that they genuinely wanted *me* to assume the responsibility
(and risk!) for projects that they couldn't wrap their heads around.
They really wanted to be able to walk away thinking the problem was
"off their desk".

Of course, as it was their money (typically), they ALSO wanted a
successful outcome!  But, what they wanted more (in the short-term)
was NOT to have to worry about it.

A colleague once pointedly asked me, "don't you want your clients
to succeed?".  And, was chagrined when I replied, "Sure!  If they
are pursuing a realistic goal.  I don't want that success to come
on *my* back (because they underestimate the cost, time, complexity,
problems, etc.).  *I* don't want to be responsible for making a
success of something that is inherently a dog..."

Best advice to give someone new to the business is to know when to
walk away from what *appears* to be a "lucrative" job (lots of
billable time) but that you can't envision a successful result.

[I've known lots of contractors/consultants who've lined their pockets
with failed projects:  "I told you about my HOURLY RATE..."  And,
why I much prefered fixed cost projects (because I could see a defined
goal at the onset and know it could be met -- freeing me to move on
to something else with a "win" in my column!)]

> If it worked, they say "look what I started/finished".
> If it fails, they say "I was handed a crock", or "the
> other guy turned it into a crock".

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  Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Randy Day <randy.day@sasktel.netx> - 2017-03-23 07:41 -0600
  Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2017-03-24 12:04 +0000
    Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 15:35 -0400
      Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 20:10 +0000
      Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2017-03-25 15:23 -0500
      Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-25 20:28 +0000
    Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-03-25 22:20 +0200
      Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-25 19:34 -0700
      Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-26 07:49 +0100
        Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-26 01:20 -0700
          Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-26 09:17 +0100
            Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-26 02:47 -0700
              Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2017-03-26 12:46 +0100
                Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-26 11:31 -0700
                Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-26 21:29 +0100
                Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-26 16:08 -0700
        Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 09:21 +0200
  Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-24 14:41 +0000
    Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-24 11:29 -0700
      Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2017-03-24 23:03 -0400
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        Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-25 10:39 -0700
          Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2017-03-26 05:31 -0400
            Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-26 03:36 -0700
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        Re: Cloud? IoT? How to start Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-25 11:01 -0700
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