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Re: What a Putz that Gnome be

From GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: What a Putz that Gnome be
Date 2016-11-29 14:37 -0700
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On 11/28/16 13:22, deplorable owl wrote:
> GreyCloud<mist@cumulus.com>  wrote:
>> On 11/27/16 16:52, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 00:48:44 +0100, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:44:07 -0500
>>>> DFS<nospam@dfs.com>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/27/2016 05:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:45:02 -0500
>>>>>> DFS<nospam@dfs.com>   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/27/2016 07:25 AM, Takuya Saitoh wrote:
>>>>>>>> Another update, another wasted day, another headache...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After updating to Gnome 3.22 today, the system refused to logon
>>>>>>>> anyone more then once and switching users became impossible too.
>>>>>>>> So instead of logout yo got to do reboot each time and even then,
>>>>>>>> the sucker refused to log yo on at times despite of fresh
>>>>>>>> reboot.  After wasting a day searching for clues for the
>>>>>>>> meaningless syslog messages like "Unrecoverable failure in
>>>>>>>> required component org.gnome.Shell.desktop" I finally arrived at
>>>>>>>> the solution:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=219576
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, the f*ckers changed the default login so Wayland is
>>>>>>>> used without any clues or warning particularly to the NVIDIA
>>>>>>>> users...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NEVER update yo Linux system or get ready for big headache each
>>>>>>>> time yo do...  Happy Appil and Windoze users, the money save them
>>>>>>>> lot of time and ruined nerves.  Of course, the bored pensionists
>>>>>>>> and hobbists can always play with dozen of distros to find one
>>>>>>>> which will finally install and run on their hardware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [dfs@manjaro ~]$ sudo useradd user2
>>>>>>> [sudo] password for dfs:
>>>>>>> [dfs@manjaro ~]$ sudo passwd user2
>>>>>>> New password:
>>>>>>> Retype new password:
>>>>>>> passwd: password updated successfully
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [dfs@manjaro ~]$ tail -2 /etc/passwd
>>>>>>> dfs:x:1000:1000:DFS,,,,:/home/dfs:/bin/bash
>>>>>>> user2:x:1001:1001::/home/user2:/bin/bash
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using xfce.  GUI logout from user dfs, and it won't allow me to
>>>>>>> switch to user2.  Just stays in an endless login loop.  I can log
>>>>>>> back in as dfs no problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [dfs@manjaro ~]$ whoami
>>>>>>> dfs
>>>>>>> [dfs@manjaro ~]$ su - user2
>>>>>>> Password:
>>>>>>> su: warning: cannot change directory to /home/user2: No such file
>>>>>>> or directory
>>>>>>> [user2@manjaro dfs]$ whoami
>>>>>>> user2
>>>>>>> [user2@manjaro dfs]$ exit
>>>>>>> logout
>>>>>>> [dfs@manjaro ~]$ whoami
>>>>>>> dfs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Turns out you have to have a 'CREATE_HOME yes' entry
>>>>>>> in /etc/login.defs before Linux useradd will automatically create a
>>>>>>> $HOME folder for new users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's hobbyware in action: the password file says there's a $HOME
>>>>>>> folder, but there's not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hm, I am using KDE on Manjaro, created user from GUI Manjaro
>>>>>> settings manager no problem... logged in another session as that
>>>>>> user, changed user details in KDE GUI Account details no problem...
>>>>>> useradd also works but if you read documentation you have to add -m
>>>>>> option if you want to create user home directory...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have to use -m.  If /etc/login.defs contains 'CREATE_HOME
>>>>> yes', -m isn't necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) after creating a new user via useradd I can't logout then login as
>>>>>       the new user, even if the new user has a $HOME.  It just goes
>>>>>       into an endless login cycle.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) useradd updates /etc/passwd to say the user has a home folder, even
>>>>>       if it's not there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you really that stupid?
>>>
>>> If DFS is expecting Manjaro to work he is just a little bit naive.
>>> The same can be said of most Linux distributions though.
>>>
>>> Crapware.
>>>
>>
>> What's the point of adding a user account and no existing home directory
>> for that added user?
>> It seems to be un-UNIX or a deviation therein.
>>
>
> A home directory is not required.  One is not even required to be
> listed in /etc/passwd.  This is not exclusive to Linux.  OpenBSD
> and Solaris behave the same way.
>

Of course.  I was just trying to open up a discussion on its uses and 
for what purposes.  Hopefully, I'll get to read some of the other purposes.

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What a Putz that Gnome be Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 04:25 -0800
  Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 04:28 -0800
    Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 14:01 +0100
      Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 07:00 -0800
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 16:14 +0100
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 07:20 -0800
            Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 16:25 +0100
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 19:45 -0800
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 09:52 +0100
    Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-27 09:41 -0500
    Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-11-27 15:08 +0000
      Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 07:14 -0800
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-11-27 17:00 +0000
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 14:29 -0500
  Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 14:02 +0100
    Re: What a Putz that Takuya Saitoh is. William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-11-27 13:13 +0000
      Re: What a Putz that Takuya Saitoh is. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 08:41 -0500
        Re: What a Putz that Takuya Saitoh is. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 14:51 +0100
          Re: What a Putz that Takuya Saitoh is. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 09:11 -0500
          Re: What a Putz that Takuya Saitoh is. William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-11-27 14:52 +0000
            Re: What a Putz that Takuya Saitoh is. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 10:20 -0500
      Re: What a Putz that Takuya Saitoh is. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 14:50 +0100
    Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 07:07 -0800
      Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 16:13 +0100
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 07:17 -0800
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 16:24 +0100
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-11-27 17:48 +0100
            Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-28 12:40 -0500
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-11-28 21:39 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-11-28 15:05 -0600
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-28 19:53 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-11-29 19:31 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-11-30 06:26 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-11-30 14:36 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Joey Fringo <fringo99@europe.com> - 2016-12-01 03:18 +0000
  Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-27 09:36 -0500
  Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-11-27 15:06 +0000
    Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 11:02 -0500
  Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 14:45 -0500
    Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 17:01 -0500
    Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 23:16 +0100
      Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 17:44 -0500
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 23:45 +0100
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 17:50 -0500
            Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 23:53 +0100
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 18:00 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 00:07 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 18:19 -0500
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-11-27 18:05 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 00:13 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 18:17 -0500
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-11-27 18:04 -0500
            Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 18:16 -0500
      Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-11-27 18:02 -0500
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 00:10 +0100
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 18:59 -0500
      Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 18:44 -0500
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 00:48 +0100
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 18:52 -0500
            Re: What a Putz that Gnome be GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-11-28 12:36 -0700
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-11-28 14:04 -0600
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-28 14:06 -0700
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-11-29 14:36 -0700
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be deplorable owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-11-28 20:22 +0000
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-11-29 14:37 -0700
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 19:02 -0500
            Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 19:08 -0500
            Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 01:17 +0100
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 19:27 -0500
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 19:45 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 19:51 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 02:00 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 20:02 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 02:05 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 20:25 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 02:34 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 20:54 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 03:38 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-27 22:20 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-28 08:49 -0600
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-11-28 12:40 -0700
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-11-28 20:01 -0500
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-29 07:59 -0600
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-28 02:00 +0100
    Re: What a Putz that Gnome be deplorable owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-11-27 23:14 +0000
      Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 18:57 -0500
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be deplorable owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-11-28 00:47 +0000
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-27 20:01 -0500
            Re: What a Putz that Gnome be deplorable owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-11-28 01:27 +0000
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be deplorable owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-11-28 17:37 +0000
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-11-28 13:26 -0700
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-28 14:07 -0700
            Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-11-28 22:29 +0100
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-28 14:37 -0700
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-29 01:52 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-28 18:21 -0700
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-29 07:06 -0600
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-29 08:59 -0700
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-11-29 19:30 +0100
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-29 11:42 -0700
                Re: What a Putz that Gnome be GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-11-29 14:39 -0700
    Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-11-28 10:28 +0000
      Re: What a Putz that Gnome be DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-11-29 20:03 -0500
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 18:05 -0800
        Re: What a Putz that Gnome be deplorable owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-11-30 14:31 +0000
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-11-30 10:23 -0600
            Re: What a Putz that Gnome be ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 03:03 +0000
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be Joey Fringo <fringo99@europe.com> - 2016-12-01 03:14 +0000
              Re: What a Putz that Gnome be GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-12-01 13:31 -0700
          Re: What a Putz that Gnome be fr314159@gmail.com - 2016-11-30 09:14 -0800

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