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Re: h the Planck message in a bottle

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: h the Planck message in a bottle
Date 2016-11-28 08:30 -0600
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On 11/27/2016 6:50 AM, jaymoseley@hotmail.com wrote:
> Odd bodkin
>>>> You have not shown that. All you have is a statement of FAITH that
>>>> somewhere in the concept of resonance should be the explanation for the
>>>> spectrum of the atom. You cannot do it yourself. Therefore all you have
>>>> is a desire that someone ELSE do the work you believe should be done.
>>
>>> Faith? Fact you mean.
>
>> No, faith. If you have references to published work where the concept of
>> resonance generates an explanation for the spectrum of the atom, produce it.
>
> And If you have evidence or published papers that show that atoms do not
> behave as resonating systems or that spectra cannot be explained
> as a wave phenomena...produce it.

The fact that they act as resonating systems IS NOT ENOUGH. You must 
produce the theory that shows that the resonating system can account for 
the spectrum of the atom. So far you have not done that.

> So far all observations only confirm my assertion that atoms are
> resonating systems. Not the opposite.
>
>> I'm not interested in papers that just demonstrate that resonance
>> happens.
>
> Exactly. You know that atoms are resonant systems. And that this
> proves my case. So you try to ignore the facts.

Keep reading. Next sentence.

>
>> I'm interested in papers that demonstrate that resonance can
>> account for the spectrum of the atom. Please provide.
>
> Tell me, how do you think that a spectra is not possibly explained
> by waves and that atoms are not resonant systems and that
> resonant systems cannot emit waves. Please provide any
> papers that back up these assumptions.

See? You can't produce ANY such papers. You just have faith that it can 
be done, until someone proves to you that it can't. You have NO theory 
in hand that shows that a resonance theory accounts for the spectrum of 
the atom.

> The fact is that proponents of the particle model of the atom never proved
> that it could not be wave only. They ignored the fact that it was, to
> focus instead on an imaginary set of assumptions.
>
>>> It is you who believe photons exist with no
>>> experimental evidence. Whereas waves and resonance have
>>> already been observed and quantified in many different ways.
>>> Interference patterns, frequencies,.. these can easily be explained
>>> by waves. Not by individual particles.
>>
>>> Spectra have for many years been accepted as a product of emr
>>> of different wavelengths/frequencies. I didn't make this up.
>
>> Why do they have the particular frequencies they do in helium? A
>> reference that generates the predicted numbers for those frequencies
>> based on a resonance model please. Produce it.
>
> Your model only generates the numbers because it observed the numbers first,
> and then retrofitted the model to fit the observations.

Historical error.

>  The atom as a particle
> model predates any " explanation" of helium or any other element using
> any set of numbers. Show me the prediction of heliums spectra (i.e. numbers)
> by your atomic model that were made *before* any observations of heliums
> spectra were made.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-04 13:38 +0100
    Re: h the Planck message in a bottle mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-04 05:53 -0700
      Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-04 15:33 +0100
        Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 16:15 +0100
          Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-04 12:53 -0500
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-04 11:20 -0700
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 19:25 +0100
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 18:47 -0800
              Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-13 23:28 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 08:44 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 22:22 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 07:36 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-17 07:23 +0100
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-17 09:11 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Edwin Grünner <edwgr@menckensite.org> - 2016-11-17 22:03 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 19:25 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-17 19:39 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-17 22:22 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Hank Barco <hankbarco@hankbarco.org> - 2016-11-18 21:35 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 15:58 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Hank Barco <hankbarco@hankbarco.org> - 2016-11-18 22:04 +0000
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 08:59 -0800
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 10:27 -0800
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 16:55 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-21 05:26 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 00:23 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-21 09:20 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 03:08 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-21 13:09 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 12:17 -0800
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 23:56 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 09:07 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 00:48 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 11:09 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 03:13 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 12:45 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maryann Tonn <libradaz@libradazert.info> - 2016-11-21 12:16 +0000
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 11:34 -0800
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 14:27 -0800
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 23:54 +0100
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-19 19:14 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-21 11:35 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maryann Tonn <libradaz@libradazert.info> - 2016-11-21 19:18 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-22 09:39 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-17 00:22 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-17 09:57 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 10:02 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-18 04:05 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 07:36 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-18 05:56 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-18 18:49 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-18 00:02 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 07:40 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-21 00:53 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 08:14 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-22 02:06 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-22 02:27 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-22 12:08 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-23 06:13 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-24 05:54 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-24 07:01 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-24 20:01 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 11:10 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Lauretta Nagle <uattea@aeuatte.au> - 2016-12-17 18:24 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-12-18 08:11 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-18 09:07 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 09:41 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 07:59 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-27 04:50 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 08:30 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-18 00:15 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 21:50 +0100
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-25 22:53 +0100
              Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:10 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:14 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-26 12:26 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 22:07 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-28 11:32 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 17:43 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 17:50 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 20:06 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 19:11 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 21:52 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 21:01 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 22:20 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-28 13:02 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 20:01 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 19:06 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 21:50 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 21:01 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 22:18 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 22:26 +0000
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          Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-04 21:36 +0100
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              Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-07 22:33 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-07 22:58 -0800
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        Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-04 21:46 +0100
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  Re: h the Planck message in a bottle numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-19 14:47 -0800
    Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-19 15:11 -0800
  Re: h the Planck message in a bottle numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-19 15:30 -0800
    Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-19 15:42 -0800
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