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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: h the Planck message in a bottle |
| Date | 2016-11-21 08:14 -0600 |
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On 11/21/2016 2:53 AM, jaymoseley@hotmail.com wrote:
> Odd Bodkin
> On 11/18/2016 2:02 AM, jaymo...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Odd bodkin..
>>>> Jay wants to put forward that there is *surely* a classical wave theory
>>>> that accounts for all the experimental data without the need for quantum
>>>> mechanics. He doesn't have such a theory himself. He wants someone else
>>>> to come up with that.
>>
>>> I don't need to come up with a theory. It's all there. It's called classical physics.
>>> My arguments are that ALL the experiments are consistent with a classical model
>> {> and one doesn't need relativity or QT.
>
>> Sorry, but no. Nobody has come up with a classical theory of the atom
>> that replicates the spectrum, for example. If you claim somebody has,
>> point to the published work. If you can't, then my point stands.
>
> Resonance is a well understood field of physics that can explain
> any particular spectral profile of an atom.
You have not shown that. All you have is a statement of FAITH that
somewhere in the concept of resonance should be the explanation for the
spectrum of the atom. You cannot do it yourself. Therefore all you have
is a desire that someone ELSE do the work you believe should be done.
> And incidentally no one
> has provided an explanation that proves that a wave based model
> cannot explain observed behaviour of atoms.
Nor is that necessary. All that is necessary is that a non-wave-based
model DOES get the observed behavior of atoms right. If you believe that
a wave-based model SHOULD ALSO get the observed behavior right, then by
all means you should produce that. It is not right that you claim,
without proof, that a wave-based model CAN reproduce the same behavior.
> Especially considering
> All observations of atoms shows they only possess wave like properties.
>
> But there are many things that classical physics can explain that QT,SR,GR
> etc cannot explain i.e; GRBs, FRBs, MMX, Sagnac, K-T, galaxy rotation curves,
> 95% of the universes mass, superconductivity, polarisation, earths magnetic
> field, cosmological redshift, etc etc, and even... wave nature of light.
> Which cannot be explained by photons.
>
Actually, the wave nature of light IS explained by photons, if you will
bother to learn a little QED. As for questions like 95% of the
universe's mass, no model of photons would ever claim to provide an
explanation for that. A model of photons is not intended to answer ALL
QUESTIONS about the universe, and so it is a boondoggle to criticize it
for failing to do so.
--
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-19 19:14 +0000
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-21 11:35 -0600
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maryann Tonn <libradaz@libradazert.info> - 2016-11-21 19:18 +0000
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-22 09:39 +0000
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-17 00:22 -0800
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-17 09:57 -0600
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 10:02 -0600
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-18 04:05 +0000
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 07:36 -0600
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Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 07:40 -0600
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Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 21:50 +0100
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-25 22:53 +0100
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:10 +0100
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:14 +0100
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-26 12:26 +0000
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 22:07 +0100
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-11-04 17:35 +0100
Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-04 21:36 +0100
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