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Re: Lorentz (Pussy smells sooo good).

From	HGW <hw@....>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Lorentz (Pussy smells sooo good).
Date	2016-11-28 07:21 +1100
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On 27/11/16 23:55, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Lorentz transformation (relativity) uses the earth's yearly tangential
>> velocity vector px in the reversal the negative result of Michelson's
>> experiment to justify the existence of Fresnel's optical ether, composed
>> of matter.
>
> Nonsense.  First of all, while Lorentz transformations are used in the
> theories of relativity as a mathematical tool (that, it turned out, results
> *naturally* from the principle of relativity), Lorentz *Ether Theory* *has
> nothing to do* with the theories of relativity.  It is an *alternative*
> theory (postulated, by Lorentz, shortly *before* special relativity, by
> Einstein) that made extraneous assumptions: an ether medium that cannot be
> detected yet is supposed to be transformable and thus have measurable
> effects.  Shortly after, Lorentz and Poincaré had to incorporate the
> principle of relativity into their "ether" theories to make their
> predictions match experimental results, making them indistinguishable from
> special relativity.
>
> The application of Occam’s razor has led to modern physics rejecting the
> idea of such an ether.
>
> You really should *read* what you are talking about some time.

So should you. The Relativity principle follows directly from LET, with 
its bogus contraction idea. It was discovered by Poincare and a few 
others before Einstein jumped on the bandwagon and realized that the 
aether did not play any apparent part in the maths and therefore could 
be declared superfluous. It DID however play a vital part in the 
physics, that of unifying all light speeds. Einstein merely replaced 
that function with a few word in a postulate.
SR clearly relies on the existence of the supposed absolute aether and 
is no different from LET. Einstein was a clever plagiarist who had the 
backing of a few influential people....and still is.

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_ether_theory#The_shift_to_relativity>
>

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Lorentz (Pussy smells sooo good). numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-26 17:05 -0800
  Re: Lorentz (Pussy smells sooo good). Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-27 13:55 +0100
    Re: Lorentz (Pussy smells sooo good). HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-28 07:21 +1100
      Re: Lorentz (Pussy smells sooo good). Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-27 16:10 -0600
        Re: Lorentz (Pussy smells sooo good). HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-29 08:40 +1100
    Re: Lorentz (Pussy smells sooo good). Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-29 14:47 +0000
      Lorentz transformations (was: Lorentz (Pussy smells sooo good)) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-29 16:28 +0100
        Re: Lorentz transformations (was: Lorentz (Pussy smells sooo good)) Julian Alewine <lliian@lliianenpo.org> - 2016-11-29 17:34 +0000
          Re: Lorentz transformations Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-29 19:07 +0100
        Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-30 05:04 +1100
          Re: Lorentz transformations Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-29 10:29 -0800
            Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-29 21:03 +0000
              Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-01 03:41 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 11:17 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-01 08:44 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 15:49 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-30 22:08 +0000
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-01 21:07 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-01 16:00 +0000
                Re: Lorentz transformations Python <python@python.invalid> - 2016-12-01 20:33 +0100
                Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-03 05:29 +1100
          Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 12:36 -0600
            Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-01 02:56 +1100
              Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 10:36 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-01 08:43 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 15:49 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-01 20:54 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 10:41 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-01 09:11 -0800
                Re: Lorentz transformations Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-01 15:10 +0100
                Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-30 22:18 +0000
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-01 21:05 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-01 15:51 +0000
                Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-02 05:44 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 13:21 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-03 05:23 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 12:27 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-04 11:03 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-03 21:21 -0500
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-05 06:41 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-05 01:14 +0000
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 13:23 -0600

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