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Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt
Date 2016-10-24 08:33 -0500
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On 10/24/2016 1:22 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>> 1. First of all, MMX was NOT in fact the basis for LC and TD. Maxwell's
>> laws of electrodynamics were the basis for relativity.
>
> Wrong.  The introduction of Albert Einstein’s “On the Electrodynamics of
> Moving  Bodies” (translated into English in 1922/1923 from the 1905 German
> original, „Zur Elektrodynamik bewegter Körper“) states:
>
> ,-<https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/>
> |
> | […]
> |
> | It is known that Maxwell's electrodynamics—as usually understood at the
> | present time—when applied to moving bodies, leads to asymmetries which do
> | not appear to be inherent in the phenomena. […]
> | Examples of this sort, together with the unsuccessful attempts to discover
>                          ^^^^^^^^
> | any motion of the earth relatively to the “light medium,”
>
> – by which Einstein *was/is* referring to the Michelson–Morley experiment
> (MMX) and similar, subsequent experiments (up to 1905) that all yielded a
> null result –

This is not historically validated. Einstein maintained himself that he 
was unaware of the MMX at the time he wrote the paper.

>
> | suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as well as of mechanics
> | possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute rest.
> | They suggest rather that, as has already been shown to the first order of
> | small quantities, the same laws of electrodynamics and optics will be
> | valid for all frames of reference for which the equations of mechanics
> | hold good.¹ We will raise this conjecture (the purport of which will
> | hereafter be called the “Principle of Relativity”) to the status of a
> | postulate, and also introduce another postulate, which is only apparently
> | irreconcilable with the former, namely, that light is always propagated in
> | empty space with a definite velocity c which is independent of the state
> | of motion of the emitting body. These two postulates suffice for the
> | attainment of a simple and consistent theory of the electrodynamics of
> | moving bodies based on Maxwell's theory for stationary bodies. […]
>
> Also, see below regarding length/Lorentz contraction (LC).
>
>> 2. MMX was the basis for Lorentz's efforts in this direction, which was
>> NOT relativity. Maxwell simply noted that IF length contraction held (he
>> offered no mechanism by which this contraction held), then MMX could be
>> explained.
>
> Utter nonsense.  The MMX took place in the summer of *1887*.  Hendrik Antoon
> Lorentz (1853–1928) offered length contraction, later also called Lorentz
> contraction, as an explanation for the null results, in *1892*.  James Clerk
> Maxwell, whom we have to thank for "Maxwell’s laws of electrodynamics" (by
> which you improperly refer to Maxwell’s _equations_), died in *1879*.

Yes, I misstated. Where I said "Maxwell", I meant "Lorentz". Thanks for 
catching the error.

>
>> But Einstein took a different approach entirely and offered a
>> rationale for LC that Michelson did not.
>
> Michelson could not offer a rationale for length contraction because it was
> not conceived of yet at the time (see above).

That's correct.

> He wrote to Lord Rayleigh in
> August 1887:
>
> ,-
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment#Most_famous_.22failed.22_experiment>
> |
> | […]
> |
> |   The Experiments on the relative motion of the earth and ether have been
> |   completed and the result decidedly negative. The expected deviation of
> |   the interference fringes from the zero should have been 0.40 of a
> |   fringe – the maximum displacement was 0.02 and the average much less
> |   than 0.01 – and then not in the right place. As displacement is
> |   proportional to squares of the relative velocities it follows that if
> |   the ether does slip past the relative velocity is less than one sixth of
> |   the earth’s velocity.
> |
> |     — Albert Abraham Michelson, 1887
>
> Wikipedia further notes, referring to Jansen & Stachel (2010) [A 5], that
>
> | From the standpoint of the then current aether models, the experimental
> | results were conflicting. The Fizeau experiment and its 1886 repetition by
> | Michelson and Morley apparently confirmed the stationary aether with
> | partial aether dragging, and refuted complete aether dragging. On the
> | other hand, the much more precise Michelson–Morley experiment (1887)
> | apparently confirmed complete aether dragging and refuted the stationary
> | aether.[A 5]
>
> Lorentz then came up with what is now called Lorentz Ether Theory (LET)
> which included length contraction inasfar as that the "light ether" would
> contract.
>
> Einstein took it one step further, making the Occam’s razor assumption that
> there is no ether and considering what would follow from that.

I would dispute that claim. Einstein did not start from a premise of no 
ether. What he started from was the principle of relativity as applied 
to electrodynamics. What he arrived at was an explanation of a great 
number of observed things that nowhere relied on an ether, and so as 
fare as he was concerned it was a spurious notion.

>  It turned
> out that by combining geometry with the experimentally verified frame-
> invariant constant speed of light as the maximum speed for the propagation
> of information, one would arrive at the Lorentz transform (instead of the
> Galilean transform) and LC *naturally* without *needing* Lorentz’s
> contractible ether to explain the results.  Time dilation (TD) then followed
> *naturally* from length contraction (and was experimentally confirmed
> afterwards).
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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