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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt |
| Date | 2016-10-24 17:27 +0100 |
| Organization | PointedEars Software (PES) |
| Message-ID | <4218963.GXAFRqVoOG@PointedEars.de> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <ddff49d9-2eca-4ac9-97cf-6042494a8655@googlegroups.com> <545140de-db04-4cee-9570-30f02e97e17b@googlegroups.com> <nu3clb$1iq2$1@gioia.aioe.org> <10715038.O9o76ZdvQC@PointedEars.de> <nul2je$8fu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 10/24/2016 1:22 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> ,-<https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/> >> | >> | […] >> | >> | It is known that Maxwell's electrodynamics—as usually understood at the >> | present time—when applied to moving bodies, leads to asymmetries which >> | do not appear to be inherent in the phenomena. […] >> | Examples of this sort, together with the unsuccessful attempts to >> | discover >> ^^^^^^^^ >> | any motion of the earth relatively to the “light medium,” >> >> – by which Einstein *was/is* referring to the Michelson–Morley experiment >> (MMX) and similar, subsequent experiments (up to 1905) that all yielded a >> null result – > > This is not historically validated. Einstein maintained himself that he > was unaware of the MMX at the time he wrote the paper. Cite evidence. >> Einstein took it one step further, making the Occam’s razor assumption >> that there is no ether and considering what would follow from that. > > I would dispute that claim. Einstein did not start from a premise of no > ether. He says it in the very paper I have been quoting from. > What he started from was the principle of relativity as applied > to electrodynamics. *Obviously*, not only that. And next time, trim your quotes. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 06:13 -0700
Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-10 06:20 -0700
Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-10 07:20 -0700
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Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-11 05:19 -0700
Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-11 05:39 -0700
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Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Scott <Scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-11 20:45 +0000
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Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-11 22:06 -0700
Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-12 05:00 -0700
Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-12 16:47 -0700
Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-12 20:02 -0700
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Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 07:31 -0500
Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-10 05:37 -0700
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Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 15:35 -0500
Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-24 07:22 +0100
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Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-01 08:48 -0500
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Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Nick <nick@nick.nick> - 2016-11-02 16:24 +0000
Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-01 12:53 -0700
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Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 15:48 +0000
Re: On the Electrodynamics of moving Bodies by P G Riedt Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 15:54 +0000
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