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Re: 10 mega-watt hours

From	Ralph Barone <ralph@invalid.com>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: 10 mega-watt hours
Date	2016-10-09 05:02 +0000
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 23:38:06 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
> <ralph@invalid.com> wrote:
> 
>> Arizona is not a little electrical island. It is interconnected with the
>> entire West Coast and electricity generated in numerous ways is bought and
>> sold across the entire interconnection.
> 
> Yep, Arizona is a very well connected, although it's not with the
> entire left coast:
> <http://www.caiso.com/informed/Pages/CleanGrid/EIMOverview.aspx>
> The "Energy Imbalance Market" is legal way to resell cheap surplus
> renewable energy among it's members without being accused of running a
> price fixing cartel.  It also helps its members comply with various
> Federal regulations.  I expect the EIM to grow to other utilities.
> 

Note that the EIM is not the whole electricity market, but just one way to
sell energy. Typically there is a "day ahead" market and an "hour ahead"
market. EIM seems to provide an automated solution for even faster response
to accommodate intermittent resources (ie: wind and solar).  However, If
Arizona isn't currently taking advantage of cheap Pacific Northwest hydro
power in the spring, they're wasting their customers' money. And likewise,
the utilities with easily dispatchable generation and available storage
(again, read hydro) are buying up cheap nuclear power at night and
reselling it as hydro during the day.

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10 mega-watt hours Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-07 11:16 -0700
  Re: 10 mega-watt hours Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-10-07 14:13 -0500
    Re: 10 mega-watt hours Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-07 12:41 -0700
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        Re: 10 mega-watt hours Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-07 14:27 -0700
      Re: 10 mega-watt hours Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-07 14:09 -0700
        Re: 10 mega-watt hours Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-07 14:18 -0700
          Re: 10 mega-watt hours Ralph Barone <ralph@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 22:40 +0000
            Re: 10 mega-watt hours Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-07 16:42 -0700
              Re: 10 mega-watt hours Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-07 17:35 -0700
                Re: 10 mega-watt hours Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-08 09:09 -0700
                Re: 10 mega-watt hours John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-10-08 09:53 -0700
                Re: 10 mega-watt hours Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-08 11:10 -0700
                Re: 10 mega-watt hours Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> - 2016-10-09 12:30 -0400
                Re: 10 mega-watt hours Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-09 10:26 -0700
                Re: 10 mega-watt hours Ralph Barone <ralph@invalid.com> - 2016-10-08 23:38 +0000
                Re: 10 mega-watt hours Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-08 18:13 -0700
                Re: 10 mega-watt hours Ralph Barone <ralph@invalid.com> - 2016-10-09 05:02 +0000
                Re: 10 mega-watt hours Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-08 23:29 -0700
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    Re: 10 mega-watt hours Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-07 17:14 -0700
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            Re: heatpump vs furnace Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-12 09:39 -0700
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            Re: heatpump vs furnace Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-13 06:10 -0700
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  Re: 10 mega-watt hours sean.c4s.vn@gmail.com - 2016-10-12 06:13 -0700
  Re: 10 mega-watt hours Yzordderrex <powersupplyguy@netzero.net> - 2016-10-13 07:52 -0700
    Re: 10 mega-watt hours Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-13 08:09 -0700
      Re: 10 mega-watt hours Yzordderrex <powersupplyguy@netzero.net> - 2016-10-14 03:05 -0700
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