Re: Particle physics

From	Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Particle physics
Date	2016-10-06 23:41 +0200
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Dne 06/10/2016 v 23:15 Odd Bodkin napsal(a):
> On 10/6/2016 2:59 PM, john wrote:
>> Exactly, Odd.
>> QM has zero predictive power.
> 
> Bullshit, John. Where the fuck did you get that idea?
> 
>>
>> Predictions are stuff like,
>> Jupiter has a crust,
>> and
>> galaxies precess.
> 
> I don't think you know what a scientific prediction is, John.
> 
> Newton's gravity telling people exactly WHERE (quantitative azimuth and
> altitude) to find the previously unobserved planet Neptune was a
> prediction.
> 
> Pauli and Fermi predicting the existence of a neutrino, and that if you
> have a source like a nuclear reactor that should produce the neutrinos
> (if they exist) at a rate of 50 trillion neutrinos per second per square
> centimeter, and that flux is impinging on 200 liters of water, then you
> should see about 3 neutrino+proton interactions per hour -- that's a
> prediction.
> 
> Gell-Mann predicting that if the quark model is correct, then you should
> see a particle (not yet found) with mass about 1680 MeV, with specified
> lifetime and decay products, which was later found exactly where
> predicted -- that's a prediction.
> 
> Einstein predicting exactly HOW MUCH that light will be red-shifted if
> it is radiated from the ground and detected 22.6 meters higher in the
> Earth's gravitational field, and that being exactly the amount of shift
> seen at the Jefferson Lab when experimenters set it up -- that's a
> prediction.
> 

Hm, AFAIK, scientific prediction is not ( only ) foretelling,
but generally it says what should be observed
(qualitatively or quantitatively ),
regardless of if it was observed already/known or not yet.

If predictions of already known observations fails,
something is wrong.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:52 -0500
  Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-02 00:09 +0200
    Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 07:33 +0200
      Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:44 -0700
      Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 10:15 +0200
        Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 17:14 +0200
          Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 17:21 +0200
            Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 09:03 -0700
              Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 19:43 +0200
              Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 13:12 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 18:04 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:00 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 07:20 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:49 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 08:11 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:41 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:21 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 11:43 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:25 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 12:51 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 12:59 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 16:15 -0500
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 23:41 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 23:45 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 17:11 -0500
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:14 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:20 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:59 +0200
                Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-07 00:50 +0000
                Re: Particle physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 07:47 -0700
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: Particle physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 10:21 -0700
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 10:44 -0700
                Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 18:26 +0000
                Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-07 00:40 +0000
                Re: Particle physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 04:31 -0700
                Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 22:56 -0700
                Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-05 23:30 -0700
    Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 13:00 -0500
      Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 17:21 -0700
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 07:28 -0500
          Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 06:00 -0700
            Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 06:47 -0700
              Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 07:16 -0700
                Re: Particle physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 07:40 -0700
                Re: Particle physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-04 19:05 -0400
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:53 -0500
              Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-04 14:47 +0000
                Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:58 -0700
              Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:53 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 08:51 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 11:14 -0500
                Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-06 04:04 +0200
            Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:53 -0500
            Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:51 -0700
            Re: Particle physics rockbrentwood@gmail.com - 2016-10-07 10:22 -0700
      Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:41 -0700
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 10:59 -0500
          Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 11:10 -0700
      Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:48 -0700
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 11:12 -0500
      Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 10:28 +0200
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:21 -0500
          Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 18:47 +0200
            Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-10 13:31 +0100
              Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 05:53 -0700
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 07:43 -0700
          Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-10 13:22 +0100

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