Re: Particle physics

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Particle physics
Date	2016-10-07 00:40 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>You don't have a model.
>You have book keeping.

And yet again, you don't understand what a science model is.  You think a
science model is an animated .gif of a bunch of spinny things.  In
science, a model is often expressions and math.  For example, F=BIL is a
mathematical and science model of a current carrying wire in a magnetic
field at right angles to it. Multiply the magnetic field strength B by the
current I and the length of the wire L (actually the cross product of the
B vector and the length L, times I) and you get the force F.  You can
(should) have a diagram of the setup to help understand the setup, but the
diagram isn't the model itself.

Engineers use that model to design electric motors.  And guess what? The
model works, so so does the electric motor!

>Exactly like the situation before it
>was realized that the Sun
>doesn't go around the Earth.

No, that was an incorrect model of the solar system.  It was incorrect
in part because it was based on common sense.  Common sense says the
earth is stationary and the sun goes around it once per day.  (Do you
feel like you are spinning at hundreds of miles per hour?)

>Do able,
>but we need a model.

And we have excellent models!  But they are what science calls models,
not cutaways of internal combustion engines in children's museums, and
not animated gifs of spinny things.

>I suggest looking at the similarities 
>between galaxies and atoms.

And I see very little similarity.

>I bet galaxies precess FASTER (twice)
>than they rotate.

And observation of spectrums from galaxies tells us that is wrong.
And go see a shrink about your precessing spinny thing OCD.

>What does YOUR model predict?
>(Fuck all)

Science models predict how nature behaves.  And in so many cases does an
excellent job at doing so.  (Do electric motors work?)

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Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:52 -0500
  Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-02 00:09 +0200
    Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 07:33 +0200
      Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:44 -0700
      Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 10:15 +0200
        Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 17:14 +0200
          Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 17:21 +0200
            Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 09:03 -0700
              Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 19:43 +0200
              Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 13:12 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 18:04 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:00 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 07:20 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:49 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 08:11 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:41 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:21 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 11:43 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:25 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 12:51 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 12:59 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 16:15 -0500
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 23:41 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 23:45 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 17:11 -0500
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:14 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:20 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:59 +0200
                Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-07 00:50 +0000
                Re: Particle physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 07:47 -0700
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: Particle physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 10:21 -0700
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 10:44 -0700
                Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 18:26 +0000
                Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-07 00:40 +0000
                Re: Particle physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 04:31 -0700
                Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 22:56 -0700
                Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-05 23:30 -0700
    Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 13:00 -0500
      Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 17:21 -0700
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 07:28 -0500
          Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 06:00 -0700
            Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 06:47 -0700
              Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 07:16 -0700
                Re: Particle physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 07:40 -0700
                Re: Particle physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-04 19:05 -0400
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:53 -0500
              Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-04 14:47 +0000
                Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:58 -0700
              Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:53 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 08:51 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 11:14 -0500
                Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-06 04:04 +0200
            Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:53 -0500
            Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:51 -0700
            Re: Particle physics rockbrentwood@gmail.com - 2016-10-07 10:22 -0700
      Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:41 -0700
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 10:59 -0500
          Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 11:10 -0700
      Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:48 -0700
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 11:12 -0500
      Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 10:28 +0200
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:21 -0500
          Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 18:47 +0200
            Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-10 13:31 +0100
              Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 05:53 -0700
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 07:43 -0700
          Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-10 13:22 +0100

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