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Re: Question For Relativity 'Experts'.

From HGW <hw@....>
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Subject Re: Question For Relativity 'Experts'.
Date 2016-09-25 17:44 +1000
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On 25/09/16 06:48, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 9/24/16 9/24/16   2:53 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
>> Obviously you [...] rely on magic. How else would one light pulse know
>> what another one was doing a million miles away?
>
> How silly. You seem to think light pulses are sentient beings.
>
> Your question is similar to this: If you emit two light pulses in the
> same direction from the same source 10 seconds apart, how do two light
> pulses know to go in the same direction when they are a million miles
> apart?
>
> The answer, of course, is that this question is malformed, and this is
> really due to the way they were emitted, not due to anything in the
> light pulses themselves.
>
> In SR, the "direction" of a light pulse (in vacuum) includes not only
> its direction in 3-space, but also its direction in 4-d spacetime. A
> light pulse in vacuum must follow a null geodesic, and its direction in
> spacetime dictates that it moves with speed c relative to any inertial
> frame. This is an inherent geometrical property of null geodesics.


Poor old Tom, he doesn't know that his version of spacetime was created 
on the assumption that light speed is always constant.

So he doesn't realize that statements like the one he just made is 
nothing but an excellent example of circular logic.

>
> Tom Roberts


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