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Re: Question For Relativity 'Experts'.

From "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Question For Relativity 'Experts'.
Date 2016-09-25 06:13 +1000
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On 24/09/16 22:12, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 24/09/2016 10:04 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
.
>>>
>>> Since something moving at the speed of light relative to one observer is
>>> also moving at the speed of light relative to all other observers,
>>> there's nothing it needs to do, or know.
>>
>> There are no bloody observers you dimwit. There is an accelerating light
>> source and some photons.
>>
>> If you can't give a reason why the second photon does not do exactly
>> what the first one did....that is, move at c relative to its source....
>> then I can only assume you don't have one.
>
> It does move at c relative to its source.
>
> But that doesn't mean that it will catch up with the previous pulse,
> because of the way that velocities combine (i.e. not by simple addition).

Ok, let us introduce an arbitrary observer who will eventually receive 
the light pulses. Quite obviously, his presence cannot affect the way 
the pulses leave the source or the speed at which either of them 
subsequently travels. To claim that the chance existence of his obscure 
frame of reference is the sole determinant of the speeds of the pulses 
is nonsensical. The only true reference is the source itself.


> Sylvia.
>
>

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