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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. |
| Date | 2016-08-14 00:23 +0000 |
| Organization | The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 |
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"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> writes: >On 14/08/16 03:33, Michael Moroney wrote: >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: >> >>> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 1:31:32 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote: >>>> >>>> It has long been possible to take two commercial atomic clocks, synchronize them >>>> together, put one in a car and drive around for a few hours (at constant >>>> altitude), bring it back to the other, and SEE the difference they display. >> >>> Right, but this does not mean time dilation. It means that the traveling >>> clock second have a longer duration than the stay at home clock second. >>> In other word, a clock second in different frame is not a universal >>> interval of time. >> >> No, this is a version of the traveling twin problem. The clock in the >> car is the traveling twin. It will see less elapsed time than the >> stationary clock. >Idiot! In the car clock frame, the stationary clock moves...so IT >becomes the 'traveling twin' and IT will see less elapsed time than the >car clock. Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, this is the traveling twin problem, Ralph. Ralph Rabbidge, in the real world the two clocks are synchronized together, Ralph, then one is driven off in a car, Ralph Rabbidge, but then the car has to turn around and come back (or drive a circuitous route, same thing, Ralph) and then return to the stationary clock where they are compared, Ralph Rabbidge. Ralph, it is true that the moving clock would see the stationary clock as running slow as long as it is moving in a straight line, Ralph Rabbidge. Ralph, the turn(s) change all that, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge. Ralph, upon return, Ralph Rabbidge, both clocks agree that the moving clock ran slow, Ralph Rabbidge. >Note, acceleration does not appear in your transforms. Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, the accelerations of the turnaround makes all the difference in the world, Ralph Rabbidge. Without any turns (acceleration) the clocks can be synchronized at the beginning of the trip, Ralph, or compared at the end, Ralph, but not both, Ralph, since the two clocks can meet exactly once at the most, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge. >
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Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Larry Harson <johnmcandrew66@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 11:07 -0700
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2016-08-03 12:21 -0700
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-11 06:55 +1000
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-11 10:52 +1000
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-11 19:41 +0200
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-13 17:33 +0000
Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-13 12:28 -0700
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-14 07:56 -0700
Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-14 08:34 -0700
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-14 06:28 +1000
Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 13:54 -0700
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 14:50 -0700
Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-14 20:08 +1000
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-15 05:09 +1000
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-14 00:23 +0000
Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-14 20:12 +1000
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-16 11:24 -0700
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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 19:22 -0700
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