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Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed.

From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed.
Date 2016-08-14 12:43 -0700
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Michael Moroney wrote:
> 
> "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> writes:
> 
> >On 14/08/16 03:33, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> >>
> >>> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 1:31:32 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It has long been possible to take two commercial atomic clocks, synchronize them
> >>>> together, put one in a car and drive around for a few hours (at constant
> >>>> altitude), bring it back to the other, and SEE the difference they display.
> >>
> >>> Right, but this does not mean time dilation. It means that the traveling
> >>> clock second have a longer duration than the stay at home clock second.
> >>> In other word, a clock second in different frame is not a universal
> >>> interval of time.
> >>
> >> No, this is a version of the traveling twin problem.  The clock in the
> >> car is the traveling twin.  It will see less elapsed time than the
> >> stationary clock.
> 
> >Idiot! In the car clock frame, the stationary clock moves...so IT
> >becomes the 'traveling twin' and IT will see less elapsed time than the
> >car clock.
> 
> Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, this is the traveling twin problem, Ralph. Ralph
> Rabbidge, in the real world the two clocks are synchronized together,
> Ralph, then one is driven off in a car, Ralph Rabbidge, but then the car
> has to turn around and come back (or drive a circuitous route, same thing,
> Ralph) and then return to the stationary clock where they are compared,
> Ralph Rabbidge.  Ralph, it is true that the moving clock would see the
> stationary clock as running slow as long as it is moving in a straight
> line, Ralph Rabbidge. Ralph, the turn(s) change all that, Ralph Malcolm
> Rabbidge.  Ralph, upon return, Ralph Rabbidge, both clocks agree that the
> moving clock ran slow, Ralph Rabbidge.



When does the moving clock run slow?


What is the duration of the test?


Or, you got two clocks synchronized together

it's March 3rd, 9pm Tuesday, year 2020  

and they are off!

When does the race end to look at the results?


When does the moving clock run slow? one minute after, 2 minutes later,
a week, a month? a year??




When does the moving clock run slow?

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Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Larry Harson <johnmcandrew66@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 11:07 -0700
  Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 11:22 -0700
    Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2016-08-03 12:21 -0700
      Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-03 14:46 -0500
        Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-11 06:55 +1000
          Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 16:18 -0700
            Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-11 10:52 +1000
              Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 19:11 -0700
              Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-11 12:31 -0500
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-11 19:41 +0200
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-11 17:02 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-11 23:33 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-12 04:18 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 11:45 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-12 21:19 +0200
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 14:55 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-13 15:10 +0200
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 06:27 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-15 13:54 +0200
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 11:37 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-15 14:00 +0200
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-15 12:27 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-13 08:06 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-13 17:33 +0000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-13 12:28 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-13 13:15 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-14 07:56 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-14 08:34 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-14 11:08 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-14 15:50 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-15 14:02 +0200
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-15 05:50 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-15 15:20 +0200
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-14 06:28 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 13:54 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-14 07:13 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 14:50 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-14 20:08 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 07:14 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-15 05:09 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 16:29 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-16 05:32 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-14 00:23 +0000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-14 20:12 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-14 23:13 +0000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-14 12:43 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-16 05:35 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-16 11:24 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-17 08:51 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-26 08:36 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-17 11:49 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-17 14:15 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-17 21:54 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-18 02:58 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-18 03:10 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-18 03:54 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-18 04:07 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-18 05:19 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-18 05:22 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-18 10:09 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-18 19:42 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-18 23:33 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-19 04:25 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-19 05:01 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 06:51 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-21 12:03 +0200
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 07:26 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-21 18:43 +0200
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 11:44 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-21 23:27 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 06:18 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-22 06:38 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-23 18:05 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-15 13:59 +0200
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                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-12 22:39 +0200
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 14:11 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-13 08:58 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 16:35 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-13 09:58 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 17:15 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-14 06:21 +1000
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 13:48 -0700
                Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-14 07:16 +1000
    Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. larry harson <larryharson66@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 13:12 -0700
      Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 14:00 -0700
        Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. larry harson <larryharson66@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 15:01 -0700
          Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> - 2016-08-03 16:04 -0700
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    Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 15:01 -0700
      Re: Slow clock transport and the measurement of one way light speed. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-13 16:29 -0700
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