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Re: And the winner is ...

From Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de>
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Subject Re: And the winner is ...
Date 2016-08-03 14:29 +0200
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*Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara* schrieb:

> *Ist es frauenfeindlich, wenn ein muslimischer Mann einer Frau nicht*
> *die Hand gibt*?
>
> "Wenn Muslime bei der Begrüßung Körperkontakt vermeiden, haben sie in
> der Regel keine frauenfeindlichen Absichten", sagt Islamwissenschaftler
> Michael Kiefer. Man möchte Angehörigen des anderen Geschlechts keine
> Berührung aufdrängen, die er oder sie als unangenehm empfinden könnte.

Da eierst du am Thema vorbei. Hier wurden ja Fälle bekannt, wo die Frau
den Handschlag 'anbietet'. Da passt obige Begründung nicht. Außerdem geht
aus der Formulierung hervor, dass dort von Verhaltensweisen
'unter' Muslimen geredet wird.

> Aus medizinischer Sicht sind sie sogar im Vorteil. Auch außerhalb der
> Grippesaison können viele Krankheitserreger von Hand zu Hand übertragen
> werden. Britische Forscher haben herausgefunden, dass die Gettofaust zur
> Begrüßung deutlich hygienischer ist.

Und Sagrotan begünstigt Allergien. Zu viel Hygiene ist Mist.

> *Ist es akzeptabel, den Handschlag aus religiösen Gründen zu verweigern*?
>
> Im Grundgesetz steht, dass jeder seine Religion ungestört ausüben darf.
> Deswegen ist es grundsätzlich geboten, auf religiöse Empfindungen
> Rücksicht zu nehmen - es sei denn, jemand anderes wird dadurch belästigt
> oder gestört.

IIRC geht es nur darum, dass der Muslime nicht unrein zum Gebet geht.
Ein Handschlag könnte das aber schon bedeuten und der Muslime müsste
sich vor dem Gebet einem Reinigungsritus unterziehen. Verweigert er den
Handschlag, ist er also nur zu faul, diesen Ritus auszuführen. Er ist
damit zu faul, den Gesetzen des Islam Rechnung zu tragen.

> *Welche Regel könnte fürs soziale Miteinander gelten*?
>
> Viele Franzosen geben sich Küsschen, in Japan ist die Verbeugung üblich.
> Der Handschlag ist also nicht die einzige Art, um sich zu begrüßen. Und
> die deutsche Gesellschaft wäre freier, wenn sie sich nicht darüber
> streiten müsste, ob der Händedruck zur nationalen Identität gehört, sagt
> Imme Gerke.

Ja. Und wir geben in Frankreich Küsschen und verbeugen uns ganz
selbstverständlich in Japan, sagt Rüdiger :-)
-- 
bis denne

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  Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-09 22:35 +0000
    Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 02:40 +0200
  Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-10 00:54 +0200
    Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 02:46 +0200
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        Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 10:41 +0200
          Re: And the winner is ... Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-07-10 11:02 +0200
            Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 11:27 +0200
            Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 11:32 +0200
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                Re: And the winner is ... Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-07-10 12:58 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-10 14:11 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-07-10 14:13 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-10 14:36 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-07-10 14:41 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-10 14:45 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 14:50 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-10 21:02 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 11:58 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-11 16:57 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-07-11 20:07 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-11 22:25 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-11 22:47 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-12 09:26 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-14 07:39 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-14 08:08 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 15:59 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-12 10:34 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 17:39 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-07-12 18:18 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 17:27 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 08:35 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 17:43 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 12:07 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 21:09 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-07-13 18:29 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 18:42 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-13 18:50 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 20:36 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 12:00 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 21:20 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 13:23 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 14:26 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <da_lodda@gmx.de> - 2016-07-14 06:05 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 16:06 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 14:41 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-15 17:58 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-13 22:02 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 14:54 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-08-01 23:25 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-08-01 21:44 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-08-02 12:39 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-08-02 03:57 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-08-02 12:49 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-08-03 12:06 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-08-03 14:11 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-08-03 14:29 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-08-03 14:53 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-08-03 15:08 +0200
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                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-08-03 06:05 -0700
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                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 15:03 +0200
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                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 22:49 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-07-13 07:37 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-13 10:51 +0200
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                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 17:47 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 08:52 -0700
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                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-14 10:42 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-14 23:40 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-15 20:19 +0200
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                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-18 00:56 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-15 20:23 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-15 20:29 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-13 10:16 +0000
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                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-12 09:39 +0200
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                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 15:18 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-07-14 15:52 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 16:27 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <da_lodda@gmx.de> - 2016-07-14 07:58 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 17:09 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-15 02:48 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-07-15 05:04 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-15 18:03 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-15 09:10 -0700
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                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 08:05 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-11 17:41 +0200
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                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-12 00:55 -0700
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                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-10 13:20 +0200
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                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-10 13:22 +0200
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                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 19:06 +0200
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                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 18:44 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 19:15 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 19:29 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2016-07-10 19:44 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 19:55 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-07-10 20:02 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-10 23:23 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-11 00:12 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 20:03 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 20:11 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 20:19 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 09:26 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 08:54 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 10:22 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 03:29 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 12:36 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 11:37 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 13:46 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 12:07 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 12:23 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 13:13 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 11:48 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 12:08 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Frank Hucklenbroich <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> - 2016-07-11 14:40 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 13:35 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Frank Hucklenbroich <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> - 2016-07-11 15:47 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Dieter.Sp@gmx.de - 2016-07-11 09:18 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 16:55 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dieter.Sp@gmx.de - 2016-07-12 22:43 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 10:02 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 01:20 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-13 10:13 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-12 00:13 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Bernd Mayer <beam.bam.boom@knuut.de> - 2016-07-11 17:17 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-07-11 20:13 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 11:08 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 01:59 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-10 23:18 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-11 22:48 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-10 23:20 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 07:31 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Willi Marquart <usenet@neppi.net> - 2016-07-11 08:44 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 07:27 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 09:43 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 07:52 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 09:54 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 08:42 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 10:31 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 01:36 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Willi Marquart <usenet@neppi.net> - 2016-07-11 10:55 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 10:10 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-11 10:50 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 10:55 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-11 14:32 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 14:45 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 13:15 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-12 02:19 +0200
          Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 11:35 +0200
            Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 11:37 +0200
              Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 12:17 +0200
            Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 09:56 +0000
          Re: And the winner is ... Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-07-10 11:37 +0200
            Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 11:39 +0200
              Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-10 21:02 +0200
          Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 09:56 +0000
            Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 12:07 +0200
              Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 11:04 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 11:48 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-07-10 13:51 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 13:56 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 13:15 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 13:22 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-07-10 15:29 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 13:36 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 14:08 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 14:14 +0000
    Re: And the winner is ... rhartmann@trash-mail.com (Reiner Hartmann) - 2016-07-10 13:03 +0200
      Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-10 21:02 +0200
  Re: And the winner is ... rhartmann@trash-mail.com (Reiner Hartmann) - 2016-07-10 12:14 +0200
    Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 13:29 +0200
      Re: And the winner is ... Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-07-10 15:57 +0200
  Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-12 12:21 +0200
    Re: And the winner is ... Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-07-12 12:48 +0200

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