Re: And the winner is ...

From	Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de>
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Subject	Re: And the winner is ...
Date	2016-07-12 10:34 +0200
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*Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara* schrieb:
> Diedrich Ehlerding schrieb:
>> Ja und? /Hier/ ist es ein Zeichen von Ablehnung und Missachtung, wenn
>> jemand den Gruß ablehnt.
>>
> Nope! Auch in D gilt, wie in jedes halbwegs zivilisierte Land, dass
> Rücksicht auf kulturelle und religiöse Empfindungen immer dann der Norm
> vorgezogen werden sollte, wenn dies keine ungebührliche oder übertriebene
> Aktivität von dem Normhaltenden verlangt!

Also Badekleid statt Bikine? Anziehen müssen Frauen ja irgendetwas,
warum dann nicht gleich das Badekleid. Da wird keine ungebührliche oder
übertriebene Aktivität von dem Normhaltenden verlangt.

Hammel statt Schwein in der Kantine? Gekocht wird ja mit Fleisch, ob man
da Schwein oder Hammel nimmt, ist kein großer Unterschied. Da wird keine
ungebührliche oder übertriebene
 Aktivität von dem Normhaltenden verlangt.

Du siehst, da kann man sehr viel hinein interpretieren.

> Das ist das Wesen der nonverbalen Kommunikation, der ritualisierten
> Gesten und der Kultur – Kultur ist nämlich der Sieg der adäquaten
> Form der Toleranz über die Ignoranz...

Die selben, denen ein Händedruck zu wider ist, weil sie danach nicht
mehr nach islamischen Reinheitsgebot beten können, haben keine Probleme
dem selben Mädchen im Schwimmbad die Hand in den Schritt zu schieben?

Nein, weg mit dem Populismus.

Muslime können eine Ausnahme machen, wenn ihnen jemand die Hand entgegen
streckt. Dadurch werden sie nicht zu schlechteren Muslimen, ganz im
Gegenteil.

Das beharren der Schüler auf die Verweigerung ist IMHO ein pubertärer
Macho-Versuch, sich überlegen zu zeigen und nichts weiter. Gerade
gegenüber Frauen und dazu noch den eigenen Lehrerinnen, kommt das nach
unserem Verständnis ganz schlecht rüber und das müssen die lernen. Sich
zudem für solches Gehabe hinter der Religion zu verstecken, sollte ihnen
ihr Imam gründlichst austreiben, statt zu schweigen oder um Verständnis
zu werben.

Michael Muhammad Hanel (östereichischer Konvertit und Islamerklärer)
https://www.vimentis.ch/d/dialog/readarticle/warum-gibt-ein-hoeflicher-muslim-einer-frau-nicht-die-hand/
spricht die *Bequemlichkeit* des Muslimen an, der Frau nicht die Hand zu
reichen, um seine rituellen Reinheit zu erhalten. Es wäre interessant zu
wissen, was er tun müsste, um seine rituelle Reinheit wieder
herzustellen, nachdem er einer Frau die Hand gereicht hat.
'Bequemlichkeit' ist jedenfalls die schlechteste Begründung, ein Zeichen
des Respekts zu verweigern.

Außerdem geht er darauf ein, dass der Mann von dem weiblichen Händedruck
ja schließlich geil werden könnte und es ihm dann schwer fiele nicht
über die Frau herzufallen. So habe ich seine weiteren blumigen
Äußerungen jedenfalls interpretiert.
-- 
bis denne

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And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-09 23:58 +0200
  Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-09 22:35 +0000
    Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 02:40 +0200
  Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-10 00:54 +0200
    Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 02:46 +0200
      Re: And the winner is ... Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-07-10 10:21 +0200
        Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 10:41 +0200
          Re: And the winner is ... Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-07-10 11:02 +0200
            Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 11:27 +0200
            Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 11:32 +0200
              Re: And the winner is ... rhartmann@trash-mail.com (Reiner Hartmann) - 2016-07-10 12:42 +0200
              Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-10 12:55 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-07-10 12:58 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-10 14:11 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-07-10 14:13 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-10 14:36 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-07-10 14:41 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-10 14:45 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 14:50 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-10 21:02 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 11:58 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-11 16:57 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-07-11 20:07 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-11 22:25 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-11 22:47 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-12 09:26 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-14 07:39 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-14 08:08 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 15:59 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-12 10:34 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 17:39 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-07-12 18:18 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 17:27 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 08:35 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 17:43 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 12:07 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 21:09 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-07-13 18:29 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 18:42 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-13 18:50 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 20:36 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 12:00 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 21:20 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 13:23 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 14:26 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <da_lodda@gmx.de> - 2016-07-14 06:05 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 16:06 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 14:41 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-15 17:58 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-13 22:02 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 14:54 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-08-01 23:25 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-08-01 21:44 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-08-02 12:39 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-08-02 03:57 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-08-02 12:49 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-08-03 12:06 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-08-03 14:11 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-08-03 14:29 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-08-03 14:53 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-08-03 15:08 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-08-03 15:21 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-08-03 06:05 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-13 23:19 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-14 01:31 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-14 00:25 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 15:03 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 22:24 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 22:49 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-07-13 07:37 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-13 10:51 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 02:00 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 17:47 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 08:52 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-13 17:17 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-13 20:39 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 11:53 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-07-13 21:38 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-13 22:03 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2016-07-14 12:34 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-14 19:23 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-14 10:42 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-14 23:40 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-15 20:19 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-16 00:12 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-16 16:33 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-16 20:45 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-16 15:54 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-18 00:56 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-15 20:23 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-15 20:29 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-13 10:16 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-13 12:35 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-07-11 18:33 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 18:48 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-11 22:31 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-11 22:50 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-12 09:39 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-07-12 16:51 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-13 17:51 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 15:18 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2016-07-14 15:52 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 16:27 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <da_lodda@gmx.de> - 2016-07-14 07:58 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 17:09 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-15 02:48 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-07-15 05:04 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-15 18:03 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-15 09:10 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-15 18:17 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-15 09:25 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-07-15 16:36 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-15 09:48 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Goetz Schultz <goetz@-delete-suelze.de> - 2016-07-15 18:00 +0100
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-18 00:53 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-15 23:52 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Hartmut Ott <hottm@arcor.de> - 2016-07-16 03:04 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-07-16 05:21 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-16 09:28 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 22:02 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-14 22:41 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 08:05 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-07-11 17:41 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-07-11 22:57 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Bernd Ullrich <ullrich_bernd@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-11 23:12 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Frank Hucklenbroich <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> - 2016-07-12 08:08 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-12 07:08 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-12 00:55 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Frank Hucklenbroich <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> - 2016-07-13 08:26 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-13 12:38 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-08-01 22:57 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 12:58 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-10 13:20 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 13:13 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-10 13:22 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 11:48 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-10 13:59 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 18:51 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 19:06 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-10 22:52 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 18:26 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 18:44 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 19:15 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 19:29 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2016-07-10 19:44 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 19:55 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-07-10 20:02 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-10 23:23 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-11 00:12 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 20:03 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 20:11 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 20:19 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 09:26 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 08:54 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 10:22 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 03:29 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 12:36 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 11:37 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 13:46 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 12:07 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 12:23 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 13:13 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 11:48 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 12:08 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Frank Hucklenbroich <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> - 2016-07-11 14:40 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 13:35 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Frank Hucklenbroich <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> - 2016-07-11 15:47 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Dieter.Sp@gmx.de - 2016-07-11 09:18 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 16:55 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dieter.Sp@gmx.de - 2016-07-12 22:43 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 10:02 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-13 01:20 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-13 10:13 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-12 00:13 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Bernd Mayer <beam.bam.boom@knuut.de> - 2016-07-11 17:17 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-07-11 20:13 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-07-11 11:08 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 01:59 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-07-10 23:18 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-11 22:48 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-10 23:20 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 07:31 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Willi Marquart <usenet@neppi.net> - 2016-07-11 08:44 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 07:27 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 09:43 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 07:52 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 09:54 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 08:42 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 10:31 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 01:36 -0700
                Re: And the winner is ... Willi Marquart <usenet@neppi.net> - 2016-07-11 10:55 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-07-11 10:10 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-11 10:50 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 10:55 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-07-11 14:32 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-11 14:45 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-11 13:15 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-07-12 02:19 +0200
          Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 11:35 +0200
            Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 11:37 +0200
              Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 12:17 +0200
            Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 09:56 +0000
          Re: And the winner is ... Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-07-10 11:37 +0200
            Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 11:39 +0200
              Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-10 21:02 +0200
          Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 09:56 +0000
            Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 12:07 +0200
              Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 11:04 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 11:48 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-07-10 13:51 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 13:56 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 13:15 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 13:22 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-07-10 15:29 +0200
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 13:36 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-07-10 14:08 +0000
                Re: And the winner is ... Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-10 14:14 +0000
    Re: And the winner is ... rhartmann@trash-mail.com (Reiner Hartmann) - 2016-07-10 13:03 +0200
      Re: And the winner is ... Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-07-10 21:02 +0200
  Re: And the winner is ... rhartmann@trash-mail.com (Reiner Hartmann) - 2016-07-10 12:14 +0200
    Re: And the winner is ... Herwig Huener AQSR 5 <Herwig.Huener@t-online.de> - 2016-07-10 13:29 +0200
      Re: And the winner is ... Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-07-10 15:57 +0200
  Re: And the winner is ... "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-07-12 12:21 +0200
    Re: And the winner is ... Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-07-12 12:48 +0200

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