Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Date	2016-07-12 08:30 -0500
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On 7/11/2016 2:39 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> YOU, by the way, are the one shooting
> all the messengers.
> Pons. Bushman. Lindauer. ALL of them
> that are blowing whistles are
> lying hoaxers (the bastards).

No one needs to shoot them if they've already shot themselves.

>
> I don't see you changing your mind
> even if Juno sees a big bad old rock
> crust on Jupiter.
>

Oh, I would indeed, John. But let's see what data says, shall we? Then 
we'll see who changes a mind. Nothing like just keeping track of 
predictions and outcomes, is there?

But let's talk about Pons, Bushman, Lindauer, Rossi, Santilli, and other 
favorites of yours.

Let's call all these people "iconoclasts" -- that is, it is a fact that 
they are making claims that are counter to conventional thought. This is 
fact without regard to motive. Now let's look at motives for iconoclasm. 
There are three:
1. The iconoclast really is privy to new knowledge and is sharing the 
discovery.
2. The iconoclast is a fraud, having fabricated the claims being shared.
3. The iconoclast is deluded, having been fooled by a fraud but still 
earnestly believing it, and sharing the fraudulent claim.

Now then, John, given these three possibilities, when you see an 
iconoclastic claim, how would you know which of these three cases 
applies? What would be your tool to determine that?

Or do you even care? Maybe all that matters to you is the iconoclastic 
claim, and you don't even CARE whether it's true, or it's a fraud, or 
it's a delusion.

Give me an honest answer to my question about how you would know.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-02 13:59 -0700
  Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 05:05 -0700
    Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 06:42 -0700
      Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:57 -0700
        Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 15:56 -0700
          Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-05 01:50 +0000
            Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 06:12 -0700
              Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-05 13:49 +0000
                Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 08:52 -0500
  DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <burkesgurlz@t-girls.com> - 2016-07-03 09:05 -0700
    DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 13:48 -0700
      Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-03 14:07 -0700
        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 14:36 -0700
          Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 20:16 -0700
            Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 16:51 -0500
              Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-07 12:47 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 17:29 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 20:13 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 04:12 +0000
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 06:59 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 09:50 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 14:50 +0000
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 10:02 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 10:35 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 13:13 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 11:57 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 14:28 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 20:27 +0000
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 15:33 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 15:42 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 16:27 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:17 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 07:22 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 10:35 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 16:49 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 16:52 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 04:41 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 04:55 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:22 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:39 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 08:30 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 07:02 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 09:17 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 07:44 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:03 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:25 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 12:31 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:56 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 11:40 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 13:48 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 13:55 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 16:36 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 17:12 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-10 17:58 +0000
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:24 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:09 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:48 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:00 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:12 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:29 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:21 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:51 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:16 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 20:39 +0000
      Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 03:42 +0000
        Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 17:50 +0000
        Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:05 -0700
          Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 13:35 -0500
        Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 06:48 -0700
        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-07 20:23 -0500
    Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-03 14:06 -0700
  Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 16:27 -0700
    Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-07-08 21:41 -0700
    Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-09 12:52 -0700
      Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-09 21:19 +0000
    Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-10 13:14 -0500

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