Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Date	2016-07-11 13:51 -0500
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On 7/11/2016 1:21 PM, john wrote:
> Oddtard:
> "In the law of evidence, the dying declaration is testimony that would normally
> be barred as hearsay but may in common law nonetheless be admitted as evidence
> in Criminal law trials because it constituted the last words of a dying person.
> The rationale, accurate or not, is that someone who is dying or believes death
> to be imminent would have less incentive to fabricate testimony, and as such, the
> hearsay statement carries with it some reliability."
>

Cite your references, John. To do otherwise is dishonest.

 From your same wikipedia article, by the way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_declaration#In_the_United_States

"Under the Federal Rules of Evidence,[4] a dying declaration is 
admissible if the proponent of the statement can establish ALL [emph. 
mine] of the following:

     The declarant’s statement is being offered in a criminal 
prosecution for homicide, or in a civil action. Some states also permit 
the admission of dying declarations in other types of case.[citation needed]
     The declarant is unavailable – this can be established using FRE 
804(a)(1)-(5).
     The declarant's statement was made while under the genuine belief 
that his death was imminent. The declarant does not have to actually die.
     The declarant's statement relates to the cause or circumstances of 
what he believed to be his impending death."

Also see 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_declaration#Criticism_of_Dying_Declaration_Doctrine

"As early as the 1800s, critics questioned the credibility of dying 
declarations. In a state court case, the Wisconsin Supreme Court 
considered the issue of a dying declaration. The defense pointed out 
that “[t]his kind of evidence is not regarded with favor.” [6] The 
defense argued that several factors could undermine the reliability of 
dying declarations.

     Physical or mental weakness consequent upon the approach of death, 
a desire of self-vindication, or a disposition to impute the 
responsibility for a wrong to another, as well as the fact that the 
declarations are made in the absence of the accused, and often in 
response to leading questions and direct suggestions, and with no 
opportunity for cross-examination: all these considerations conspire to 
render such declarations a dangerous kind of evidence.
     — Aviva Orenstein, Her Last Words: Dying Declarations and Modern 
Confrontation Jurisprudence, 2010 U. Ill. L. Rev. 1411, 1460 (2010)[7]"





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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-02 13:59 -0700
  Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 05:05 -0700
    Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 06:42 -0700
      Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:57 -0700
        Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 15:56 -0700
          Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-05 01:50 +0000
            Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 06:12 -0700
              Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-05 13:49 +0000
                Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 08:52 -0500
  DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <burkesgurlz@t-girls.com> - 2016-07-03 09:05 -0700
    DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 13:48 -0700
      Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-03 14:07 -0700
        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 14:36 -0700
          Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 20:16 -0700
            Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 16:51 -0500
              Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-07 12:47 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 17:29 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 20:13 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 04:12 +0000
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                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 09:50 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 14:50 +0000
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 10:02 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 10:35 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 13:13 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 11:57 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 14:28 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 20:27 +0000
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 15:33 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 15:42 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 16:27 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:17 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 07:22 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 10:35 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 16:49 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 16:52 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 04:41 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 04:55 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:22 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:39 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 08:30 -0500
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                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 09:17 -0500
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                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:03 -0500
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                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 13:48 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 13:55 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 16:36 -0500
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                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-10 17:58 +0000
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:24 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:09 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:48 -0700
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:00 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:12 -0700
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      Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 03:42 +0000
        Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 17:50 +0000
        Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:05 -0700
          Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 13:35 -0500
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  Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 16:27 -0700
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    Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-09 12:52 -0700
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