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Re: Has Dan Simmons truly lost it or is he just pandering?

From David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written
Subject Re: Has Dan Simmons truly lost it or is he just pandering?
Date 2016-07-10 12:15 -0600
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <nlu3cl$ajv$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References (3 earlier) <MPG.31ea057cdc04b6cb98a32f@news.eternal-september.org> <oA1CoD.5AG@kithrup.com> <MPG.31eaa494ce7a9fd798a334@news.eternal-september.org> <nltpr2$79h$1@dont-email.me> <MPG.31ec56a5b42d7a9e98a354@news.eternal-september.org>

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On 7/10/2016 11:57 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <nltpr2$79h$1@dont-email.me>, Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com
> says...
>>
>> On 7/9/2016 5:05 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article <oA1CoD.5AG@kithrup.com>, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu says...
>>>>
>>>> In article <MPG.31ea057cdc04b6cb98a32f@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <oA0C3r.C1s@kithrup.com>, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu says...
>>>>>> the rulers of Pakistan, like all rulers everywhere, want to get and
>>>>>> hold power.  And because they are not idiots, they know that if terrorists
>>>>>> explode a nuke and the world even *thinks* they got it from Pakistan,
>>>>>> they lose everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what happens if the current rulers are overthrown?
>>>>
>>>> See above.
>>>
>>> I don't see anything "above" that suggests that the Caliphate agrees
>>> with you on the matter of how to "get and hold power".
>>>
>>> If "getting and holding power" led to rational decisions, Hitler would
>>> never have gone into Russia
>>
>> Germany's chances against Russia were quite respectable, had the United
>> States not come to Russia's aid.
>
> That's the American view.  What's the Russian view?

That it was an extremely tough fight for them.

>
>> and Japan would never have bombed Pearl
>>> Harbor.
>>>
>>
>> Japan was actually repeating the same thing that it did in the
>> Russo-Japanese war with great success.
>
> Yeah, right, the Japanese sank the Russian Pacific fleet in port with an
> air attack.
>

Not "with an air attack" but they did sink it in port.

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