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| From | jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: Has Dan Simmons truly lost it or is he just pandering? |
| Date | 2016-07-13 02:14 +0000 |
| Organization | Public Access Networks Corp. |
| Message-ID | <nm486r$pth$1@reader1.panix.com> (permalink) |
| References | <j0ag6g$aj3$1@panix3.panix.com> <nluafu$55q$1@dont-email.me> <MPG.31ec8c15b9c55bb798a35b@news.eternal-september.org> <nlumfg$d9s$1@dont-email.me> |
In article <nlumfg$d9s$1@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >On 7/10/2016 3:45 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >> In article <nluafu$55q$1@dont-email.me>, Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com >> says... >>> >>> On 7/10/2016 12:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>> In article <nlu3cl$ajv$1@dont-email.me>, Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com >>>> says... >>>>> >>>>> On 7/10/2016 11:57 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>> In article <nltpr2$79h$1@dont-email.me>, Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/9/2016 5:05 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>> In article <oA1CoD.5AG@kithrup.com>, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu says... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In article <MPG.31ea057cdc04b6cb98a32f@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>>>>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In article <oA0C3r.C1s@kithrup.com>, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu says... >>>>>>>>>>> the rulers of Pakistan, like all rulers everywhere, want to get and >>>>>>>>>>> hold power. And because they are not idiots, they know that >if terrorists >>>>>>>>>>> explode a nuke and the world even *thinks* they got it from Pakistan, >>>>>>>>>>> they lose everything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And what happens if the current rulers are overthrown? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> See above. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't see anything "above" that suggests that the Caliphate agrees >>>>>>>> with you on the matter of how to "get and hold power". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If "getting and holding power" led to rational decisions, Hitler would >>>>>>>> never have gone into Russia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Germany's chances against Russia were quite respectable, had the United >>>>>>> States not come to Russia's aid. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's the American view. What's the Russian view? >>>>> >>>>> That it was an extremely tough fight for them. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> and Japan would never have bombed Pearl >>>>>>>> Harbor. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Japan was actually repeating the same thing that it did in the >>>>>>> Russo-Japanese war with great success. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, right, the Japanese sank the Russian Pacific fleet in port with an >>>>>> air attack. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not "with an air attack" but they did sink it in port. >>>> >>>> And it did not deter the Russians from continuing the war. >>> >>> But afterward when the 2nd Pacific Squadron was also wiped out, that did >>> the trick. The Japanese won. Now admittedly even if the Japanese had >>> won at Midway, the Americans would have just built a third and bigger >>> fleet and won with that, but based on Japan's experience to that point, >>> such a war was winnable and if lost, they'd be able to offer up some >>> concessions in return for a negotiated peace. >> >> Some Japanese. It is said that their naval expert was of the opinion >> that they'd lose the offensive in six months. They did. >> >> If Tojo wasn't power-mad he'd have listened to Yamamoto. >> >>> The American reaction to >>> being attacked was actually pretty atypical. >> >> Not really. We tend to lash out. See Iraq. >> > >Please provide your example from before World War II that would have >shown that to the Japanese planners. > The General Sherman Incident. The Maine. Fort Sumter.... -- My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/ My Livejournal at http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicoll http://www.cafepress.com/jdnicoll (For all your "The problem with defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)
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