Re: BJ Believes

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: BJ Believes
Date	2016-06-03 10:41 -0500
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On 6/3/2016 9:35 AM, benj wrote:
> John seems to believe lots of things. But do you believe with HVAC that
> discussions of the ancient alien theory must be censored and suppressed
> off all public media like HVAC does?

No, I don't think discussions should be censored. However, you are of 
the opinion that any subject whatsoever is appropriate for a SCIENTIFIC 
discussion, and I disagree with that. There are some subjects that are 
OUTSIDE THE SCOPE or competencies of science, and those are off-topic. 
This isn't censorship. It is declining to engage in an off-topic 
discussion in a group devoted to a particular topic. I would not engage 
in a discussion about rock bands in a chemistry group either.

> He's done a damn effective job of
> killing all science discussion on this group. You aren't even a close
> second. He's a pro.
>
> My idea is that if Aliens are here, they were attracted by our nukes and
> are here not to save US but to save the universe from us doing something
> exceptionally ignorant and destructive which pisses in THEIR bed.

Yes, I know that's your position. As I've already outlined to you, I 
think this is extremely unlikely for a variety of reasons.
1. The likelihood that there are alien civilizations within 70 light 
years of us is extremely small.
2. Nukes are not a noticeable signal, compared with much larger signals 
(solar flares, volcanic activity) that occur more frequently and have 
been around a lot longer. We're talking about gnat-like signals for 
aliens. Sure, they're big for US, but not for aliens.
3. Aliens won't care if we tussle with each other, and certainly won't 
be inclined to intervene, any more than we intervene when clans of 
chimps kill each other or any more than we intervene when hornets invade 
a colony of bees. Why would our troubles matter to them?
4. Our activity here on this planet in no way pisses THEIR bed that I 
can see. Do those aliens live here? Does a nuclear bomb on Earth affect 
Jupiter, let alone something 40 or 50 light years away? Have they come 
to us and let ALL OF HUMANITY know that they are declaring Earth to be a 
national park for their species and we'd better not screw it up?

You have this overinflated view that what humans do on Earth is 
important to anybody other than humans. Such arrogance!

> Just
> look at HVAC and ask yourself if that blowhard could be trusted with
> even a GUN let alone a nuclear button? If you were an alien in the
> neighborhood, wouldn't YOU be worried? I would.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 06:27 -0700
  BJ Believes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 06:43 -0700
    BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 06:54 -0700
      Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-29 12:58 -0400
      Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 09:15 -0500
        Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 07:18 -0700
          Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 10:45 -0400
            Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 07:51 -0700
              Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 12:13 -0400
        Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 10:54 -0400
          Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 08:14 -0700
            Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 12:18 -0400
          Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 08:19 -0700
            Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 12:20 -0400
              Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 11:38 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 14:38 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 13:49 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 00:24 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 09:36 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 13:01 -0400
          Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 10:43 -0500
            Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 12:27 -0400
              Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 11:48 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 15:10 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 12:37 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 14:50 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 17:32 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 01:12 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 03:45 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 05:43 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 11:06 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 00:45 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 00:27 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 03:34 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 12:54 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 14:48 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 00:43 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 09:36 -0500
    Re: BJ Believes ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-29 14:25 -0500
      Re: BJ Believes "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-29 13:50 -0700
  Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-29 12:48 -0400
    Re: BJ Believes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 11:34 -0700
      Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 20:41 -0400
        Re: BJ Believes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 18:03 -0700
          Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 22:12 -0400
            Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 10:28 -0500
              Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-02 12:03 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 11:34 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-02 18:48 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 18:01 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-02 20:09 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 20:17 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 00:45 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 05:02 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 09:47 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 07:08 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 10:45 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 06:56 -0500
            Re: BJ Believes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 15:15 -0700
              Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-02 19:41 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 21:38 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 03:13 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 07:21 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 05:50 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:00 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 06:51 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:53 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 10:20 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 09:24 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 10:54 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:41 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 14:21 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 10:48 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 09:01 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 14:32 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 13:58 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 15:02 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 23:53 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 06:08 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-03 13:50 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 14:26 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 07:44 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 14:18 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 09:57 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 09:07 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 07:23 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 10:45 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 10:35 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 07:55 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 14:19 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 10:41 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-03 13:42 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 09:51 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 09:00 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-03 10:27 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 10:26 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 13:59 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 13:40 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-08 21:11 +0000
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 17:38 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-08 22:50 +0000
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 20:34 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-06-08 19:21 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-09 02:43 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-09 02:34 +0000
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-09 02:48 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-09 16:34 +0000
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 17:27 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 21:16 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-09 03:38 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 01:56 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 06:38 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 07:23 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 10:49 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 09:13 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 17:07 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 16:16 -0500
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 17:41 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 14:53 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 20:28 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-06-08 19:21 -0700
                Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-09 02:41 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 13:30 -0700
        Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:10 -0500
          Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 22:14 -0400
            Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 10:28 -0500
              Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-02 12:05 -0400
                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 11:36 -0500
        Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 04:13 -0700
          Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-02 12:00 -0400
            Re: BJ Believes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 09:38 -0700
              Re: BJ Believes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-02 18:49 -0400
        Re: BenJacoby would have everyone believe in Santa Claus. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-02 12:11 -0400
          Re: Jesus Christ and Santa Claus were invented for people like you. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-02 19:07 -0400
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