Re: BJ Believes

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: BJ Believes
Date	2016-06-03 10:26 -0500
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On 6/3/2016 9:27 AM, benj wrote:
> On 06/03/2016 10:00 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 6/3/2016 8:51 AM, benj wrote:
>>> On 06/03/2016 08:21 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 6/3/2016 2:13 AM, benj wrote:
>>>>> We most certainly did.The whole theory of evolution states this! You
>>>>> start with single celled animals and "progress" from there. You are
>>>>> obviously a more advanced lifeform than the chrinoids or trilobites
>>>>> you
>>>>> are said to have developed from! You are a much more "advanced" animal
>>>>> than any ape. Can apes play the piano? Sure they can talk, but if you
>>>>> talk to them the fact that they are primitive is immediately
>>>>> obvious. Of
>>>>> course animals "spoof" and apes DO LIE! But does that make them
>>>>> immoral
>>>>> or moral. I think your are really confused about right and wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Advanced is in the eye of the beholder. Cockroaches survive where
>>>> humans
>>>> cannot and will be around, essentially unchanged since the last several
>>>> hundred million years, long after humans have expired. So wouldn't you
>>>> call the cockroach a more successful and refined design? Sure, they
>>>> can't do what HUMANS think are important things to do, but what makes
>>>> those things the qualities to measure against, compared to stability
>>>> and
>>>> survivability?
>>>>
>>>> Are we more advanced than porpoises? Eyes were first developed in the
>>>> sea, and ever since animals left the sea, their eyesight has never been
>>>> as acute as they are in aquatic animals, even fish. And vision is our
>>>> most acute sense! How do we do in the ocean, compared to porpoises? We
>>>> are confined to a small fraction of the earth's surface area, compared
>>>> to the oceanic range of porpoises?
>>>>
>>>> Ben, you have such a parochial and self-absorbed view of "progress", as
>>>> though the more human-like an animal it is, the more progressed it is.
>>>> Ever consider that we may be a short-lived species that rose quickly
>>>> and
>>>> will burn out quickly, a model for biological disaster?
>>>
>>> Still a dictionary denier I see.
>>
>> What term are you referring to? "Advanced"? Is there a dictionary
>> definition that points out that humans are more evolutionarily advanced
>> than porpoises? If so, please provide the reference.
>>
>> Ben, I just want to reiterate that YOUR OWN HEAD does not count as a
>> reference. What you MAKE UP because it makes sense to you by no means an
>> assurance that it is true, or that scientists agree with you. We've
>> already established that with what you made up about waves and media,
>> and what you've made up about mathematics and reality, and what you've
>> made up about volume being a necessary property for existence, among
>> other things.
>>
>> If you think that evolution was EVER a theory that promotes the idea
>> that natural selection produces ADVANCEMENT, then you have never read
>> any scientific books about evolution. Or maybe you read some and then
>> decided you didn't agree with it.
>
> So you think (sorry counselor, you are arguing) that single celled
> critters are as advanced as humans?

 From an evolutionary perspective, single-celled organisms are perfectly 
suited for their biological niche, at least as well as humans are. They 
survive in environments we would not be able to dream of surviving. In 
evolutionary terms, this is all that matters -- at least according to 
the scientific description of evolution. Keep in mind that you kept 
referring to what EVOLUTION says, but you were instead remarking on YOUR 
OWN PERCEPTIONS of what "advanced" should mean.

> That's insane. The word was progress
> and the definition was (why do you love references unless they are the
> dictionary? Your own head is NOT a reference dictionary! The definition
> was "higher, better, or more advanced". IT's simple nonsense to say that
> primitive lifeforms are as advanced as complex humans or animals such as
> mammals. That is an insane argument.

No, it's really not. It's what evolution says. What YOU are doing is 
declaring that being "human-like" is what marks a species as being more 
"advanced", and so the more human-like, the more "advanced" the species 
is. So according to you, vertebrates are more advanced than sharks 
because a bony spine is closer to being human. According to you, mammals 
are more advanced than birds, because having mammary glands is closer to 
being human. According to you, monkeys are more advanced than porpoises, 
because they are closer to being human. But evolutionary theory doesn't 
say that.

>
> One does not need "references" for obvious facts. No it is not dark
> outside Boinker, it's high noon and the sun is shining but I don't have
> a book to prove it.
>

Well, Ben, you are free to express your OPINIONS about what makes a 
species "advanced", and you are free to declare that as far as you're 
concerned it's all obvious. That is what you do. You take stuff that 
pops out of YOUR OWN HEAD and declare that to be the truth, because it 
makes sense to you.

Where you make a mistake is attributing your OPINION to what scientists 
or scientific theories say. You made the mistake of attributing your 
OPINION that waves require a medium to being what physicists say about 
that, right up until the point where your own reference showed you 
wrong. And here too, you have made the mistake of attributing your 
OPINION about what makes a species more evolutionarily "advanced" to 
being what biologists say about that. But they DON'T say that, which you 
will know, just as soon as you actually read what biologists say about 
evolution.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  BJ Believes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 06:43 -0700
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                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 11:06 -0500
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                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 14:48 -0500
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                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:00 -0500
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                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 10:49 -0500
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                Re: BJ Believes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 16:16 -0500
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