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Re: OT: Obama in the UK

From "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: OT: Obama in the UK
Date 2016-05-07 12:51 +0100
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"Rod Pemberton" <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 6 May 2016 11:47:38 +0100
> James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:

...

> Well, I know you guys don't seem to care for Trump,
> but he basically encouraged Brexit.  That is surprising
> to me as well.  I.e., I seem him as businessman who
> would support trade agreements.  I wouldn't doubt it
> that he merely opposing Obama's position.

I heard his comment. It makes sense. While the UK being in the EU is 
probably good for Obama and the USA it is, as I have been saying, not 
good for the UK. Did I mention that one Australian Senator said that 
nations asking the UK to remain an EU member were asking the UK to pay a 
very high price?

I am quite disgusted that Obama and, apparently, Clinton as well have 
both said the UK _should_ remain an EU member. By contrast, Trump's 
comment that we'd be better to leave is welcome. As you say, he could be 
merely opposing Obama's position.

I will respond below to your point about trade agreements.


...

> I'm getting the impression that the U.K., Germany, France, Spain, and
> Italy all have the same problem.  Other countries have never been
> empires and so seem to be more willing to become a state as part of a
> union.  The stronger countries have been empires at some point in
> history.  They're likely less willing to give up their authority and
> rights they fought hard to earn to become a subject of another power.
> If there is to be a union with those countries in it, that must 
> happen.


I have to say I don't think that's completely right. I cannot speak for 
Spain or Italy but France and Germany apparently want to be part of the 
political union. That is a common European view (i.e. continental Europe 
excluding the UK want to merge to become a single country). Bernhard's 
comments on this newsgroup are a good case in point. Such comments show 
a common European desire for amalgamation into a single state.


>> 2. An unmodifiable exchange rate. This prevents countries devaluing
>> in times of crisis. That, in turn, reduces their chances of
>> attracting the foreign money they need to help them out of the
>> crisis. Instead they have to go to the big banks (and wealthy nations
>> such as Germany). These banks and nations then impose various
>> policies as a condition of the loans. Thus the country in a crisis
>> loses more power to the banks and the wealthy countries.
>
> The U.S. has a common currency.  Some states go into recessions while
> others are growing rapidly.  We have regional federal banks which
> control the money supply.  I'd suspect they do so regionally by making
> more or fewer loans, and adjusting local interest rates.  The rates 
> are
> always higher around large cities.  Also, the effective value of our
> currency varies by region.  You may pay $7 a meal at a fast food
> restaurant in one city, then fly to another and pay $22.  Ditto
> housing, etc.  I'm not an expert in our money supply, but we've 
> managed
> to manage it, somehow, much of the time.

I don't know that it is a money /supply/ issue. After all, printing new 
money causes devaluation pressure in the entire currency zone, not just 
in a limited area.


> So, I'm having a hard time
> grasping why E.U. countries would have problems with devaluing when
> needed.

I am no expert either but AIUI, when the 2007/8 financial crash hit, 
most countries were able to let their currencies devalue or cause them 
to devalue by printing new money. That meant, broadly, that all 
transactions within the country remained at the same price but that 
exports and imports were affected.

Exports became easier to find buyers for and imports became more 
expensive. That has the effect of bringing money in to the country (as 
long as it has products to export) which, in turn, starts to push the 
value of the currency back up again.

I suppose it is like water flow. If a vessel is lowered then water will 
flow into it from linked vessels, tending to find a level. Lowering the 
level is like devaluing a currency.

But when the 2007/8 crash hit, the countries in the eurozone were locked 
together. The hardest hit could not devalue independently. That is a 
consequence of having strong and weak economies using the same currency.

In the USA, if some states or even some small areas became much weaker 
than others the central government could pull fiscal levers to boost the 
weak economies at the expense of the strong ones. But while the eurozone 
is under different governments that is not an option. There is no 
central government with the fiscal powers needed.

Hence, my comment that they should either amalgamate completely or 
separate. The current half-way house is simply a bad idea.


> Does the E.U. have a central bank and regional banks?

AIUI the eurozone has the ECB as a central bank.


> Or, is
> each country still attempting to control their own supply
> independently of the E.U.?  Or, is the E.U. failing to regionally
> manage the money supply?  Isn't this an effect of each country still
> issuing their own currency?

AIUI all those things are done centrally. The ECB (European Central 
Bank) sets interest rates that apply to banks. And banks set rates that 
apply to their customers.

In an effort to deal with trouble in the eurozone the ECB has been 
lowering rates. It recently set at least one rate _below_ zero. In other 
words, financial institutions would borrow money and, rather than paying 
for the privilege, they would be paid for borrowing the money!

If that sounds like a desperate measure, my guess is that it is.


> I.e., there would be no exchange rate
> between the E.U.'s EUR and the U.K.'s GBP, if the U.K.'s GBP didn't
> exist.  There is only one currency in the U.S.: USD.  That may be
> part of the problem.
>
>> Speaking of migration, the US has a population density per square km
>> of 35. That of the UK is 267. England is full! We don't have the
>> infrastructure or the housing to accommodate further population
>> increases. Yet, the EU does not allow the UK to limit immigration
>> from other EU states.
>
> Other countries are more "full," like China ...

Sorry, no. The latest World Bank data puts China's population density at 
145 per square km. The UK's office for national statistics puts 
England's at 413.

We really don't have space for all the people who are currently here.

Nor do we have the housing. House prices have shot up over the last few 
years and lots of people can no longer afford a house.

We are out of space for building more houses in many areas where the 
jobs are. People are talking about building over forest land and public 
green spaces.

Yet, while we are in the EU we cannot limit how many people move to the 
UK.


...

>> > and import or export tariffs to the E.U. from the U.K. would also
>> > likely be lower as a member.
>>
>> Well, there are zero tariffs between EU countries so _all_ trade
>> between EU countries is tariff free. But AIUI the EU has imposed
>> relatively high tariffs on external trade. That makes many of the
>> goods we buy more expensive rather than less so.
>
> Of course, the reverse is true.  I.e., if the U.K. Brexit's, the U.K.
> will be on the other side of the "trade cost barrier."  So, the U.K.'s
> goods will be overpriced in the E.U., perhaps like the U.S.' goods.
> Since the U.K.'s goods will be more expensive to those countries in 
> the
> E.U., that will hurt the U.K.'s ability to sell product to and withing
> the E.U.


That's not quite right. Many countries in Europe have free trade with 
the EU but they are not in the EU. For example, there is a free trade 
area called EFTA. It is closer in concept to your NAFTA, i.e. a trade 
area but not a political project.

One option for the UK is to leave the EU and join EFTA. That is not 
perfect for the UK as it would not, be default, help with the population 
density problem but it _would_ allow the UK to trade without tariff 
barriers in the EU.


...

>> Finally, the EU does not permit member countries to set their own
>> tariffs.
>
> Well, that's the job of the E.U. now ...  I'm getting the impression
> that you don't see the E.U. as your equivalent of a federal government
> like in the U.S., and you don't see England, Scotland, Wales, and
> Northern Ireland as state governments like in the U.S.  You view the
> U.K. as it's own sovereign and country.

Yes. Believe me, the EU is nothing like your federal government.


> That perception must change if
> the E.U. is to go forward.  The E.U. must be the country and 
> sovereign.


Some European countries want that and they can go down that route if 
they want. The UK absolutely does _not_ want that. The only arguments 
here for the UK staying in the EU are around the relative uncertainty of 
leaving. I have not heard anyone say that we should stay in to join a 
superstate. Such an idea would go down like a lead balloon. The EU is 
not even democratic!


>> You guys in the US and we in the UK tend to think differently.
>> We want to cooperate but not to amalgamate.
>
> If that's so, then you're better off ideologically with a Brexit due 
> to
> the different viewpoints.  You'll only feel repressed by staying in a
> regime with contrary viewpoints as your own, even if it's economically
> advantageous.

Indeed.


> However, I still suspect an exit will harm you
> financially due to your trade dependence on the E.U., unless your
> country can quickly develop some new trading arrangements, e.g.,
> perhaps with Americas including Mexico, India, China.

As I say above, there are other trade arrangements we could make 
straight away, and keep our existing EU trading.

Longer term, IMO, the UK needs to be able to make and adjust its own 
deals. It would be allowed to do that under EFTA.

The EU is far too slow to make trade deals or to respond to changing 
world economic conditions. It is a 1960s behemoth that still exists 
while the world has moved on.

As one campaigner here is fond of saying: there are only two continents 
in the world which are not growing. One is Europe. The other is 
Antarctica. Economically, the UK needs the freedom to arrange its own 
trade with the parts of the world where the growth is.


> I'd suggest
> giving the U.S. what it wants on FATCA or OECD on CRS tax reporting 
> and
> hoping you can eliminate some trade barriers with the U.S.  Even 
> though
> the U.S. laws were derived from British common laws, the U.S. laws do
> not match your own.  The U.K. will likely have to relax a bunch of 
> laws
> to encourage more free trade, at least with the U.S.  If you guys do
> exit, welcome to this side of the pond.


On that, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the UK could conclude a deal 
with the US before the EU could, even though the EU has a few years' 
head start.

-- 
James Harris

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                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de> - 2016-05-21 21:10 +0200
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 12:10 +0100
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de> - 2016-06-01 19:22 +0200
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-01-25 18:29 -0500
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2016-01-26 11:47 +0100
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 17:08 +0000
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2016-01-28 11:54 +0100
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 11:47 +0000
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 10:13 +0000
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-01-25 18:29 -0500
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 17:15 +0000
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-01-27 17:31 -0500
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 11:07 +0000
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-01-19 22:28 -0500
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 15:04 +0000
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-01-25 17:48 -0500
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 17:16 +0000
                Re: cows and bulls game, was [Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc] "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-12-27 21:19 -0500
              Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-09-30 20:32 -0400
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 15:13 +0100
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-10-05 21:56 -0400
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 13:56 +0000
                Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-10-21 19:46 -0400
  Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 15:38 +0100
    Re: C parser ramblings, language design, etc "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-09-13 07:10 -0400
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