Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again
Date	2016-05-02 12:38 -0500
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On 4/30/2016 8:31 AM, kenseto wrote:
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> Hey idiot.....if I am running, I am not motionless. Gee you are stupid.
>

Don't be silly, Ken. If you were SITTING on a surface traveling 10mph to 
the west, then you are moving because the surface is.
But now if you are RUNNING at 10mph to the east on a surface that is 
traveling 10mph to the west, then you would be motionless, right?

If you swim upstream at 3 mph in a river that is flowing 3mph 
downstream, you won't move relative to the riverbanks, right? So even 
though you are swimming, you are motionless, right?

So you see, even if you are running or swimming, you can't be sure 
you're moving.

Or are you one of these people that thinks the Earth's surface is 
motionless?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 16:05 -0500
  Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-18 21:21 +0000
  Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-18 22:32 +0000
  Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-18 15:57 -0700
    Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 21:07 -0500
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-19 13:05 -0700
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:28 -0700
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 15:59 -0500
  Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Boris Mohar <borism_void_@sympatico.ca> - 2016-04-19 06:53 -0400
    Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:34 -0700
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 07:01 -0700
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 13:43 -0400
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:49 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 23:10 -0400
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-04-20 03:15 +0000
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:05 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 06:15 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:27 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:44 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:40 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:47 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:57 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:08 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:41 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 10:14 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:52 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 14:22 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 22:16 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 08:55 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 12:14 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 10:11 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-20 15:40 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 10:07 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:25 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 02:40 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 11:44 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 04:59 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 11:32 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:35 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 12:56 -0400
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 10:41 -0500
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-21 20:30 -0700
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:47 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:20 -0700
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:25 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:18 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:26 -0700
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:35 -0500
    Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 10:33 -0500
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 13:47 -0400
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:26 -0700
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:57 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 12:02 -0700
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 14:18 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 19:39 +0000
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 14:55 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:30 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 08:47 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 18:43 -0700
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:54 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 23:21 -0400
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:08 -0500
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-19 22:21 +0000
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 15:31 -0700
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:57 -0500
  Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-19 07:36 -0700
    Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:07 -0500
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-21 20:32 -0700
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 04:34 -0700
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:09 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 06:28 -0700
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:32 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:33 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:30 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:28 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 06:41 -0700
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:50 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:04 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:09 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:15 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 12:36 -0400
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:22 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 14:43 +0000
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:20 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:42 -0500
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:47 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:25 -0700
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:27 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:39 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 17:00 +0000
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:12 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 17:22 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:32 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:54 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:57 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:27 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:41 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 15:00 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:05 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 13:51 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:40 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:46 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:22 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 21:13 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 14:08 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-24 23:55 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 21:27 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 01:56 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:58 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:55 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:50 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 04:58 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:02 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:12 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:39 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 14:46 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:48 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 23:39 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 14:11 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 16:58 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:39 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 04:44 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:01 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:52 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 21:37 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 14:53 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 13:52 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-25 08:56 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-25 16:51 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-25 20:24 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-26 14:41 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 10:09 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 07:29 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 09:43 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 20:50 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 10:05 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-30 06:31 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:42 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:38 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-04 05:26 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 10:55 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-28 19:39 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 10:35 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-29 08:58 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-30 06:37 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:43 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:38 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-30 06:40 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:44 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 07:02 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:39 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:15 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-03 14:32 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 05:35 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-04 05:30 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 12:24 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 11:27 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 13:31 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:12 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 07:48 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-27 15:25 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:28 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 19:44 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 07:21 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-27 14:41 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:29 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-27 10:41 -0700
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:22 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:34 -0700
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:42 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:14 -0700
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:50 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:06 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:16 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 16:51 +0000

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