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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again
Date 2016-04-27 15:25 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 10:42:27 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>> >No....from the muon's point of view the earth looks the same round ball
>> >and the muon itself is rushing very fast toward it. The 2.2 us on the
>> >muon clock is able to reach the earth's surface before it decays.

>> SR predicts length contraction for anything moving relative to it.

>No, you need to learn what SR says. SR says that the projected length of a
>moving meter stick is fore-shortened to a factor of 1/gamma. This is not 
>material contraction as you implied.

Yes and the earth is fore-shortened by a factor of 1/gamma, just as you
say, as the earth approaches the muon (as far as the muon is concerned).

>>So, as
>> far as the muon is concerned, the earth is approaching it at nearly c.

>Clearly this is an absurd assertion. There are zillions of muons 
>surrounding the earth the earth cannot rush I different directions to 
>meet each one of these muons.

You are really confused.  First, you cannot frame-jump, and here you
are trying to frame-jump into the reference frame of every one of
those zillions of muons, all at once!

If you are in the reference frame of Muon A, it will see the earth 
approach at nearly c.  This is relative motion.  (ever notice what the R
in SR stands for?)  For another muon IN A DIFFERENT FRAME, it will see
the earth approaching it at nearly c as well.  This is not a contradiction
as the two reference frames will be moving at high speeds relative to
each other as the muons approach earth at different angles and speeds..

Now if you do look at things from Muon A's frame, it will see earth
approach it at nearly c.  Muon A will also see Muon B approaching earth
from some angle.  If measured, Muon A will see Muon B moving at some speed
nearly c relative to itself, and it will see the relative velocity between
B and earth at nearly c as well.  No contradiction.

Repeat for each of zillions of muons.


> The correct description is that the muons 
>surrounding the earth are rushing toward to meet it

From the earth reference frame.  Each muon frame sees a different thing.

>....the 2.2us of time for the muon clock became gamma*2.2us on the earth 
>clock and that's why the muon is able to reach the ground before 
>decaying.

From the earth frame.  Each muon frame sees things differently.

>This is an absurd assertion.....clearly the earth cannot be flattened in di=
>fferent directions.

You're frame jumping again.  You cannot do that. See above.

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