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Re: Point particle

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Point particle
Date 2016-04-26 10:06 -0500
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On 4/26/2016 9:33 AM, john wrote:
> Odd-
> Treating particles as points is handy for calculating
> things.

No, it's more than that.
Treating particles as points gives quantitative predictions that match 
experiments.
Treating fundamental particles as having internal structure gives other 
quantitative predictions that so far do NOT match experiments.

>
> Mark says it perfectly:
> " What you left out of "modeling" is the "idealization" part. Galileo idealized for instance
> homogeneity and perfect rigidity of his materials, no air resistance, the constancy of the
> gravitational field of Earth at different altitudes, the same kind of universal time that Newton
> assumed, and more.
>
>
>    All of those idealizations are false. That they didn't show up in the kinds of experiments he
> could do is irrelevant.
>
>    The problem arises when people extend those falsehoods beyond the ranges of size, speed, and
> time Galileo could access.
>
>    That's why we have relativity deniers, Flat Earthers, and people who insist that "fundamental
> particles" have zero volume and no components.
>
>    Forgetting that idealizations *are* idealizations is stoopid.
>
>
>    Mark L.  "
>
> Odd- you got lumped in with
> relativity deniers and flat earthers
> :)
>

Well, as you can see, I disagreed with Mark.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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