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Re: Point particle

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Point particle
Date 2016-04-26 07:41 -0500
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On 4/25/2016 12:38 PM, jay moseley wrote:
> Odd.
>> Now then, this leaves models like point particles. Here, there's an important
>> principle, called validation by experiment.
>
> The pre copernican theologists thought that angels carried stars and planets
> on a complex series of tracks. A mathematical model verified by observation.
> It worked, sailors used it to navigate although It always needed to be tweaked
> and added to with new layers of complexity as time progressed. Anyone who
> dared challenge this absurd orthodoxy was ruthlessly attacked as heretical.
> Sound familiar vicar?
>

It is certainly true that theories get modified (if they can be) as new 
experimental data comes in. But there's one key difference. 
PreCopernican models were data retrofits but had no predictive power. No 
PreCopernican model could have predicted the existence or location of 
Neptune. But Newtonian models can make predictions like that: 
observations not yet seen or fitting existing patterns.

This is true also for the models involving point particles. Here, being 
able to make exquisitely precise predictions that end up being 
exquisitely well matched by observational measurements -- in some cases 
to the 12th decimal place -- is why those models are considered valuable.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 06:33 -0700
    Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 07:51 -0700
      Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 08:00 -0700
        Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 12:59 -0400
    Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 12:57 -0400
      Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 10:47 -0700
        Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 23:27 -0400
  Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 06:41 -0700
  Re: Point particle Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-23 14:19 -0700
  Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 14:48 -0700
    Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:18 -0700
      Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:27 -0700
        Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:32 -0700
          Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 08:05 -0500
            Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:17 -0700
              Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:39 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:16 -0700
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:57 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 08:32 -0700
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 08:51 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 13:29 -0400
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:23 -0500
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 00:32 -0700
              Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:23 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 12:32 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 12:40 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:12 -0500
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:59 -0500
                Re: Point particle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-25 20:24 +0000
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 13:44 -0700
            Re: Point particle jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-25 10:38 -0700
              Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 11:00 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 21:34 -0400
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 18:51 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 22:36 -0400
              Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 07:41 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 07:33 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 10:06 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 08:19 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 10:39 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 10:26 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 14:09 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 12:15 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 14:20 -0500
                Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 15:03 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 17:21 -0500
                Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 15:26 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 19:47 -0500
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-26 21:29 -0400
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 07:35 -0500
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:35 -0700
                Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 15:08 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 19:32 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:03 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 02:04 -0700
                Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 16:10 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 00:16 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 08:39 -0500
                Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 19:37 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-30 00:38 -0400
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 04:56 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-30 12:23 -0400
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 09:35 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:41 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 10:47 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:37 -0500
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 02:38 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Buck Futter" <invalide@example.com> - 2016-05-03 11:49 -0700
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 11:00 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 15:03 -0400
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:15 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 14:35 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 21:22 -0400
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 09:41 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 10:22 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-30 13:36 -0400
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 10:53 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-30 14:04 -0400
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 06:17 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 11:54 -0400
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 09:12 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 12:46 -0400
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 10:27 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 09:49 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:22 -0500
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 13:00 -0400
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:35 -0500
                Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 14:21 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 14:47 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 06:01 -0500
                Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 12:54 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:58 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 17:09 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 06:53 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 06:11 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 09:52 -0500
                Re: Point particle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-03 15:46 +0000
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 13:17 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 16:27 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 19:03 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 22:43 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Buck Futter" <invalide@example.com> - 2016-04-30 13:56 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:54 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 17:21 -0500
                Re: Point particle jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 11:27 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 14:15 -0500
                Re: Point particle jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-27 03:27 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 04:56 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 08:16 -0500
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:07 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:11 -0700
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:30 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:35 -0700
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:46 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:52 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 08:20 -0500
                Re: Point particle edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-04-27 10:37 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-27 11:34 -0400
                Re: Point particle edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-04-27 10:42 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:49 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 10:59 -0700
                Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 13:23 -0500
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:50 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:45 -0700
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 04:51 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 05:06 -0700
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 05:48 -0700
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 05:51 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-28 09:33 -0400
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 07:47 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-28 22:45 -0400
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 00:27 -0700
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 02:03 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 03:32 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 05:12 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-28 09:06 -0400
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-28 09:06 -0400
                Re: Point particle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-27 13:42 +0000
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:47 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:27 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:31 -0700
                Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:25 -0700
        Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 13:10 -0700
          Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:02 -0500
            Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:31 -0700
              Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:42 -0500
              Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:46 -0500
                Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:36 -0700
                Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:45 -0700
                Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:31 -0700
                Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 16:51 -0700
                Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 17:53 -0700
                Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 18:35 -0700
                Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 19:07 -0700
                Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 19:17 -0700
                Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 22:40 -0400
                Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:19 -0700
                Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 20:54 -0700
                Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:12 -0700
                Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:27 -0700
                Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:42 -0700
                Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:59 -0700
                Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 23:14 -0700
                Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-04-29 22:31 -0500
                Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-29 21:22 -0700
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                Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 21:39 -0700
                Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 21:06 -0700
                Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:33 -0700
                Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 21:58 -0700
                Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 22:09 -0700
                Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 22:41 -0700
                Re: Is any of this true, "ClutterFreak" ? ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-02 08:08 -0500
                Re: Is any of this true, "ClutterFreak" ? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-02 11:08 -0700
                Re: Is any of this true, "ClutterFreak" ? "Anon E. Mouse" <nobody@home.invalid> - 2016-05-03 08:25 -0400
                Re: Is any of this true, "ClutterFreak" ? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-03 08:36 -0700
      Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:45 -0500
        Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:50 -0700
          Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:24 -0500
        Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:07 -0700
          Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:23 -0500
          Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 00:42 -0700
  Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 00:25 -0700
    Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 04:19 -0400
      Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:18 -0700
        Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:23 -0700
          Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:30 -0700
        Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:27 -0700
      Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 00:50 -0700
  Re: Point particle "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 11:01 -0700
    Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:47 -0500
      Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 13:53 -0700
      Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:33 -0700
        Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:37 -0500
  Re: Point particle "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 13:03 -0700
    Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:52 -0500
  Re: Point particle "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:44 -0700
  Re: Point particle "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 20:19 -0700
    Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 19:49 -0500
  Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 07:38 -0500

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