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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again |
| Date | 2016-04-22 09:22 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <nfdc35$1499$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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On 4/22/2016 8:41 AM, john wrote: > Sam > You can play with infinity in your > mind. You can only fold EVEN THE THINNEST > piece of paper 13 times. There are > limits (gravity has one). > > There is no 2D anything. > Everything is 3D. > > At the skin layer, Odd, you find first > a layer of dead skin, much like a forest > floor of all kinds of decay, microbes, etc. > NOT a 2D surface- a complex vista. There is a boundary between those dead cells and the air, John. The surface of those cells. Not the cells themselves. I want you to try REALLY hard to think about what a surface is. The surface of a block of stainless steel is the BOUNDARY BETWEEN the steel and the air. The surface of a pool table is not the felt. It's the boundary between the felt and the air. If you keep looking for some solid thing you can point to and say, "That's the boundary," then you haven't got the idea, because a solid thing is never a boundary. It HAS a boundary, but the solid thing is not the boundary itself. Do you know what a boundary is, John? It's a common English word. > > Same for any "2D" surface. > Get your head out of that book. > Use your eyes and your brain. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:05 -0500
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 08:55 -0500
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 10:11 -0500
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 10:41 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-21 20:30 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:47 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:20 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:25 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:18 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:26 -0700
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 10:33 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 13:47 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:26 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:57 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 12:02 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 14:18 -0500
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 14:55 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:30 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 08:47 -0500
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:54 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 23:21 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:08 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-19 22:21 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 15:31 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:57 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-19 07:36 -0700
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:04 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:09 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:15 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 12:36 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:22 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 14:43 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:20 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:42 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:47 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:25 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:27 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:39 -0500
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:32 -0700
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:39 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 04:44 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:01 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:52 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 21:37 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 14:53 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 13:52 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-25 08:56 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-25 16:51 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-25 20:24 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-26 14:41 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 10:09 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 07:29 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 09:43 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 20:50 -0700
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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:34 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:42 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:14 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:50 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:06 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:16 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 16:51 +0000
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