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Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again
Date 2016-04-19 14:55 -0500
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On 4/19/2016 2:39 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Odd seems to think a curved surface
>> has 2 dimensions
>
> A surface HAS two dimensions.
>
> A surface may EXIST in 3 or more dimensions, esp. if it is curved.
>
> Take Odd's cube example and apply it to a sphere.
>
> Inside a sphere you can go in 3 perpendicular directions.  A sphere is 3d.
> On its surface you can go in only 2 perpendicular directions. But unlike
> the cube, you can't define the two directions as being 2 of (x,y,z),
> except for certain points. The two directions will involve all 3 of
> (x,y,z) elsewhere.  It is because the two dimensional surface is curved in
> three dimensions.
>

If you'd stick with (x,y,z) you'd be making the mistake of asserting 
that all 2D objects have to be FLAT, just because (x,y) surfaces (or 
(y,z) or (z,x) surfaces) happen to be flat planes.

But let's invite John to do something AutoCADish and not use (x,y,z) but 
instead use (r,theta,phi) coordinates. For every point, these three 
dimensions specify perpendicular directions, so satisfy what I 
described. But now notice that the surface of a sphere is clearly 2D 
because from any point on the surface, you can only go in the theta 
direction or the phi direction and still stay on the surface. You can't 
go in the r-direction and still stay on the surface. Hence the surface 
is 2D. The fact that the surface is curved is IRRELEVANT to it being 2D.

John seems to think that 2D necessarily means FLAT. Where he got that 
silly idea, I have no idea -- unless it just seemed to make sense to him 
so he took it as true.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 16:05 -0500
  Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-18 21:21 +0000
  Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-18 22:32 +0000
  Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-18 15:57 -0700
    Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 21:07 -0500
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-19 13:05 -0700
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:28 -0700
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 15:59 -0500
  Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Boris Mohar <borism_void_@sympatico.ca> - 2016-04-19 06:53 -0400
    Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:34 -0700
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 07:01 -0700
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 13:43 -0400
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:49 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 23:10 -0400
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-04-20 03:15 +0000
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:05 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 06:15 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:27 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:44 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:40 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:47 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:57 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:08 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:41 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 10:14 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:52 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 14:22 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 22:16 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 08:55 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 12:14 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 10:11 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-20 15:40 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 10:07 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:25 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 02:40 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 11:44 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 04:59 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 11:32 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:35 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 12:56 -0400
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 10:41 -0500
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-21 20:30 -0700
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:47 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:20 -0700
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:25 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:18 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:26 -0700
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:35 -0500
    Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 10:33 -0500
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 13:47 -0400
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:26 -0700
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:57 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 12:02 -0700
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 14:18 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 19:39 +0000
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 14:55 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:30 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 08:47 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 18:43 -0700
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:54 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 23:21 -0400
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:08 -0500
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-19 22:21 +0000
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 15:31 -0700
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:57 -0500
  Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-19 07:36 -0700
    Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:07 -0500
      Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-21 20:32 -0700
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 04:34 -0700
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:09 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 06:28 -0700
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:32 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:33 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:30 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:28 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 06:41 -0700
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:50 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:04 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:09 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:15 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 12:36 -0400
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:22 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 14:43 +0000
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:20 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:42 -0500
        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:47 -0500
          Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:25 -0700
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:27 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:39 -0500
            Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 17:00 +0000
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:12 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 17:22 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:32 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:54 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:57 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:27 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:41 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 15:00 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:05 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 13:51 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:40 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:46 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:22 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 21:13 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 14:08 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-24 23:55 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 21:27 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 01:56 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:58 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:55 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:50 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 04:58 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:02 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:12 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:39 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 14:46 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:48 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 23:39 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 14:11 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 16:58 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:39 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 04:44 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:01 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:52 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 21:37 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 14:53 -0400
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 13:52 -0500
              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-25 08:56 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-25 16:51 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-25 20:24 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-26 14:41 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 10:09 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 07:29 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 09:43 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 20:50 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 10:05 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-30 06:31 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:42 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:38 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-04 05:26 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 10:55 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-28 19:39 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 10:35 -0500
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                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-30 06:37 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:43 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:38 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-30 06:40 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:44 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 07:02 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:39 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:15 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-03 14:32 +0000
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                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-04 05:30 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 12:24 -0500
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                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:12 -0500
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 07:48 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-27 15:25 +0000
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                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 07:21 -0700
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-27 14:41 +0000
                Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:29 -0500
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        Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:22 -0500
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              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:14 -0700
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              Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:06 -0700
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