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Re: This is How it Happened...Summary

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: This is How it Happened...Summary
Date 2016-04-03 18:40 +0000
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HGW <HGW@home.com> writes:

>On 04/04/16 01:28, Michael Moroney wrote:

>>> By stating that light speed was independent of the movement of its
>>> source in his P2, Einstein was accepting the existence of the absolute
>>> aether.
>>
>> No, Henry,

Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, you have gotten into the stupid pills again,
Ralph.  Ralph, don't they at least require a prescription for stupid pills
in Oz?  Ralph, it looks like you downed the whole bottle again.  Ralph, do
I have to punish you again?

>> you cannot read.  Einstein writes: "The introduction of a
>> 'luminiferous ether' will prove to be superfluous inasmuch as the view
>> here to be developed will not require an 'absolutely stationary space'
>> provided with special properties, nor assign a velocity-vector to a point
>> of the empty space in which electromagnetic processes take place."
>> He explicitly states there is no need of any special 'absolutely
>> stationary space', and explicitly states that points in empty space do
>> not have a velocity, explicitly ruling out any aether.

>That is what I said.

No, Ralph, it isn't.  You claimed Einstein accepted the existence of the 
absolute aether yet I posted direct quotes from his 1905 paper where he
said he had no need for any aether.  And that phrase is the only place
in that paper where the word "aether" or "ether" was mentioned, as Tom 
Lahn also pointed out to you.

> That is a mathematical consequence of the LTs and 
>source independence, the latter which is guaranteed by postulate rather 
>than being physically accomplished through a speed unifying medium.

No, Lorenz started off with the assumption of an aether and came to a
conclusion, the LT.  Einstein went an entirely different route, one that
didn't involve any aether (as he explicitly stated) and came up with a
mathematically identical solution.

> But 
>it was only by assuming the existence of that medium that the postulate 
>made any sense and the rest of the mathematics could be constructed.

No, there is no reason to assume any sort of aether for the postulate to
make any sense.  Go through his math, he makes no reference to any aether
except to disavow it.  Maybe the only way for YOU to make sense of it is
to involve an aether, but many minds much greater than yours, including
Einstein's, have no need for an aether.

>> Later on he writes the same, he says that spacetime is sort of an aether,
>> but again explicitly states that points in empty space cannot have a
>> velocity component, again ruling out any "luminiferous ether".

>Spacetime is nonsense. The two dimensions are unrelated...but at least 
>Einstein was finally waking up to the fact that not only was the aether 
>superfluous but also it didn't actually exist, just as Walter Ritz had 
>been trying to convince him years before.

So now you're back to claiming there's no aether.  At least Einstein was
consistent, he disavowed aether except as possibly a property of spacetime
so vacuum would have values for such things as mu0 or e0.

>The trouble was, Einstein still clung to an assumption of its existence 
>through his source independence claim. That is why he ended up 
>reinventing Lorentz's theory.

>I hope all that is not still too hard for you.

No, Ralph, he explicitly said he had no need for an aether.  How do you go
from "no need for an aether" to "Einstein still clung to an assumption of
its existence"?  Lay off those stupid pals, Ralph.

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This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-01 11:06 +1100
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 18:46 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-01 13:04 +1100
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 07:35 -0500
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-09 13:15 -0700
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-10 04:06 +0000
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:28 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:28 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 11:33 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:17 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:10 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:18 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:28 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:32 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-24 20:13 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 09:03 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:58 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:03 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 15:52 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-24 20:07 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 08:53 -0500
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:26 -0500
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:35 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:44 -0500
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 06:26 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:01 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 07:28 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:52 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Jack Chardy <jackc@outlool.org> - 2016-07-11 16:19 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:43 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 11:29 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:43 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:01 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:09 -0500
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:28 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:52 +0000
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:37 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-02 08:42 +1100
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-02 16:43 +1100
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-02 19:23 +1100
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-02 19:40 +1100
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-02 22:09 +1100
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-02 12:20 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-04-02 19:58 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 18:22 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-03 07:53 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 11:10 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-03 21:13 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 06:04 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-04-03 15:14 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-03 15:10 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-03 15:20 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 07:12 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 07:52 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 09:31 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 15:16 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 20:15 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 04:37 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 06:41 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-17 10:34 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 10:38 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-17 15:56 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 08:21 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 08:19 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 16:51 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 08:36 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-01 00:30 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:18 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-01 20:39 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-03 10:52 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 18:24 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 09:46 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 19:15 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 11:54 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 21:04 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 15:44 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 09:10 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 05:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 18:49 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 11:23 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 15:28 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 03:35 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 18:40 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 06:07 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Apollo <nowhere@def.com> - 2016-04-04 07:28 -0600
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 08:42 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 07:43 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 11:08 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-04 17:09 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-05 07:20 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 16:03 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 03:46 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-09 03:28 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-12 08:27 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-12 09:50 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 08:17 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:57 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 11:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 23:08 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 19:23 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 09:48 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 07:34 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-13 17:44 -0400
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 09:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-12 15:02 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 08:04 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-13 09:23 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 19:35 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-13 23:16 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 07:49 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-14 10:39 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 21:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-14 15:13 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-15 14:19 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-15 21:48 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-16 10:31 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-16 15:13 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 09:10 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-16 22:19 -0400
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 18:45 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-17 04:58 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-04-16 20:25 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-17 09:16 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 18:47 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-13 14:49 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 08:12 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-14 13:57 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-15 14:26 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-15 14:54 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-16 04:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-18 03:48 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 14:40 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-18 14:50 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 18:18 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 04:44 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-19 21:23 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 20:22 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 14:04 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 12:04 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-20 08:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-21 11:50 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 12:09 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-22 09:39 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-22 09:21 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-25 23:27 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-27 05:25 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-27 22:08 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-28 08:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-28 15:07 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-29 06:37 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-05-01 14:45 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-04 14:39 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 21:14 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:23 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 06:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 08:44 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 07:52 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 11:10 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-04 12:47 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-05 07:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 06:20 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-05 21:20 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 15:02 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-05 09:15 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 04:14 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-05 07:00 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 17:10 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-06 13:32 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 08:25 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-08 07:01 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 09:11 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-07 03:50 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 08:27 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 04:31 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 07:26 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 20:54 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 14:17 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-09 00:18 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:41 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-17 17:38 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:57 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-10 19:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-03 15:21 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 15:05 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 03:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 21:47 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:26 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-04 23:00 +0200
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 05:57 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 04:07 +1000
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 11:26 -0700
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:29 +1000
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 19:53 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hgw@...> - 2016-04-04 14:02 +1000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 12:46 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-01 19:25 +0200
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-01 17:28 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-02 08:36 +1100
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-02 15:46 +0200
  This is How it Happened...Summary PD <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 06:58 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 14:07 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-03 08:00 +1000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-03 08:33 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 16:47 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 16:54 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-04-17 18:35 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2016-06-03 07:51 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2016-06-04 04:06 -0700

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