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Re: This is How it Happened...Summary

From HGW <HGW@home.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: This is How it Happened...Summary
Date 2016-04-04 03:35 +1000
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On 04/04/16 01:28, Michael Moroney wrote:
> HGW <HGW@home.com> writes:
>
>>> Conclusion: You have not the slightest clue what you are talking about.
>
>> Well, I knew this would be too hard for anyone here. Einstein used the
>> word superfluous... and he was right...as long as the speed of all light
>> in space was presumed to be unified, ie was source independent, the
>> aether frame did not need to be mentioned.
>
> So here you agree with Einstein in his 1905 paper that there is no need
> for any aether.

Of course. Having included the aether's fundamental role as part of P2, 
Einstein had no need to mention it by name.

>> By stating that light speed was independent of the movement of its
>> source in his P2, Einstein was accepting the existence of the absolute
>> aether.
>
> No, Henry, you cannot read.  Einstein writes: "The introduction of a
> 'luminiferous ether' will prove to be superfluous inasmuch as the view
> here to be developed will not require an 'absolutely stationary space'
> provided with special properties, nor assign a velocity-vector to a point
> of the empty space in which electromagnetic processes take place."
> He explicitly states there is no need of any special 'absolutely
> stationary space', and explicitly states that points in empty space do
> not have a velocity, explicitly ruling out any aether.

That is what I said. That is a mathematical consequence of the LTs and 
source independence, the latter which is guaranteed by postulate rather 
than being physically accomplished through a speed unifying medium. But 
it was only by assuming the existence of that medium that the postulate 
made any sense and the rest of the mathematics could be constructed.

> Later on he writes the same, he says that spacetime is sort of an aether,
> but again explicitly states that points in empty space cannot have a
> velocity component, again ruling out any "luminiferous ether".

Spacetime is nonsense. The two dimensions are unrelated...but at least 
Einstein was finally waking up to the fact that not only was the aether 
superfluous but also it didn't actually exist, just as Walter Ritz had 
been trying to convince him years before.

The trouble was, Einstein still clung to an assumption of its existence 
through his source independence claim. That is why he ended up 
reinventing Lorentz's theory.

I hope all that is not still too hard for you.

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This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-01 11:06 +1100
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 18:46 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-01 13:04 +1100
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 07:35 -0500
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-09 13:15 -0700
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-10 04:06 +0000
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:28 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:28 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 11:33 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:17 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:10 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:18 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:28 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:32 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-24 20:13 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 09:03 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:58 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:03 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 15:52 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-24 20:07 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 08:53 -0500
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:26 -0500
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:35 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:44 -0500
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 06:26 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:01 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 07:28 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:52 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Jack Chardy <jackc@outlool.org> - 2016-07-11 16:19 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:43 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 11:29 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:43 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:01 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:09 -0500
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:28 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:52 +0000
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:37 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-02 08:42 +1100
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-02 16:43 +1100
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-02 19:23 +1100
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-02 19:40 +1100
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-02 22:09 +1100
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-02 12:20 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-04-02 19:58 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 18:22 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-03 07:53 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 11:10 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-03 21:13 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 06:04 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-04-03 15:14 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-03 15:10 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-03 15:20 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 07:12 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 07:52 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 09:31 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 15:16 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 20:15 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 04:37 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 06:41 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-17 10:34 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 10:38 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-17 15:56 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 08:21 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 08:19 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 16:51 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 08:36 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-01 00:30 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:18 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-01 20:39 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-03 10:52 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 18:24 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 09:46 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 19:15 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 11:54 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 21:04 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 15:44 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 09:10 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 05:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 18:49 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 11:23 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 15:28 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 03:35 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 18:40 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 06:07 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Apollo <nowhere@def.com> - 2016-04-04 07:28 -0600
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 08:42 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 07:43 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 11:08 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-04 17:09 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-05 07:20 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 16:03 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 03:46 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-09 03:28 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-12 08:27 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-12 09:50 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 08:17 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:57 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 11:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 23:08 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 19:23 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 09:48 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 07:34 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-13 17:44 -0400
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 09:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-12 15:02 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 08:04 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-13 09:23 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 19:35 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-13 23:16 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 07:49 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-14 10:39 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 21:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-14 15:13 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-15 14:19 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-15 21:48 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-16 10:31 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-16 15:13 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 09:10 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-16 22:19 -0400
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 18:45 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-17 04:58 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-04-16 20:25 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-17 09:16 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 18:47 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-13 14:49 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 08:12 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-14 13:57 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-15 14:26 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-15 14:54 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-16 04:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-18 03:48 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 14:40 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-18 14:50 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 18:18 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 04:44 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-19 21:23 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 20:22 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 14:04 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 12:04 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-20 08:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-21 11:50 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 12:09 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-22 09:39 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-22 09:21 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-25 23:27 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-27 05:25 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-27 22:08 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-28 08:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-28 15:07 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-29 06:37 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-05-01 14:45 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-04 14:39 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 21:14 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:23 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 06:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 08:44 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 07:52 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 11:10 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-04 12:47 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-05 07:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 06:20 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-05 21:20 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 15:02 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-05 09:15 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 04:14 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-05 07:00 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 17:10 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-06 13:32 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 08:25 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-08 07:01 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 09:11 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-07 03:50 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 08:27 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 04:31 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 07:26 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 20:54 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 14:17 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-09 00:18 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:41 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-17 17:38 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:57 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-10 19:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-03 15:21 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 15:05 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 03:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 21:47 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:26 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-04 23:00 +0200
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 05:57 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 04:07 +1000
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 11:26 -0700
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:29 +1000
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 19:53 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hgw@...> - 2016-04-04 14:02 +1000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 12:46 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-01 19:25 +0200
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-01 17:28 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-02 08:36 +1100
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-02 15:46 +0200
  This is How it Happened...Summary PD <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 06:58 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 14:07 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-03 08:00 +1000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-03 08:33 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 16:47 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 16:54 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-04-17 18:35 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2016-06-03 07:51 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2016-06-04 04:06 -0700

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