Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN
Date	2016-03-17 10:39 -0500
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On 3/17/2016 10:32 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> THATS AN UNSUBSTANTIATED ASSERTION.
>> THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF LOGIC!!!!
>
> No, it is stated because it is what is MEASURED.  What is measured ALWAYS
> trumps what we believe.  We now believe "everything is TOTALLY WEIRD AND
> DIFFERENT!!!" in QM because we MEASURE it as such.
>
> Logic states the earth is flat and the Sun moves around the earth, and a
> gallon of water can be divided in half and each half divided in half
> forever, and we still have water.  Logic is wrong.
>
>> YOUR SCIENCE IS A LIE, A SHAM, YOU
>> ARE BEING CONNED!!!
>
>> How can you believe that shit, Sam?
>> When was science hijacked?
>
> Science is about what we MEASURE.  It is NOT about hallucinating about
> spinny things and saying "That's science!".
>

John cannot think that way.
John believes there are laws of nature that his common sense tells him 
are true:
"Everything has structure."
"Everything is made of smaller things, and it's self-similar at any scale."
"Everything has shape and size, and how it works is determined by those 
things, because that's how solid objects work."

And it's impossible for him to challenge his common sense, because he 
doesn't have anything else. If measurements come back and say those holy 
laws are wrong, then the measurements are wrong. Any theory that doesn't 
respect those laws is therefore immediately nonsensical. Because those 
laws are holy and immutable and no sense can be had, according to John, 
without them.

Now, if you ask him about table salt and ask about its structure, he'll 
point to the cubic grains he can see under a microscope. Now have him 
dissolve those cubic grains in water and ask him what has happened to 
the cubes, the critical shape that defines salt. He'll go mute -- stone 
dumb mute. Because his brain cannot process it at all.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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The Search for New Physics at CERN Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 21:22 -0500
  Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 23:10 -0400
    Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-03-16 22:24 -0700
      Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 02:57 -0700
        Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 03:47 -0700
          Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-03-17 08:34 -0700
        Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 08:56 -0500
          Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:33 -0700
            Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 09:37 -0500
              Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:53 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-03-17 15:32 +0000
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 10:39 -0500
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 13:07 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 12:25 -0500
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-03-17 16:12 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 21:12 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 21:09 -0500
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-03-18 10:51 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 12:58 -0500
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-03-18 11:27 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 00:39 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 08:43 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 11:02 -0500
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 09:22 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 12:45 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 11:58 -0500
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 10:08 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 13:02 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 12:24 -0500
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 10:56 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 11:12 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 11:23 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-17 18:41 +0000
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 12:14 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 15:47 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 14:37 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-03-17 14:40 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 14:50 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 20:57 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-03-17 21:51 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-03-17 22:42 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 16:20 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 16:09 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 15:48 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 16:06 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 12:40 -0400
                Re: BenJacoby and JohnSefton wear blinders. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 18:03 -0400
                Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 02:50 -0700
                Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 07:19 -0700
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-03-18 14:45 +0000
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 09:55 -0500
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 07:56 -0700
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:07 -0700
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:14 -0700
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:37 -0700
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-03-18 15:38 +0000
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-03-18 15:35 +0000
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 10:13 -0500
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. xxein1@att.net - 2016-03-18 16:52 -0700
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 08:34 -0500
                Re: Nature is omnipotent, omniscient and eternal. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 12:02 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 20:48 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 01:59 -0400
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:36 -0500
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 08:03 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 08:13 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 10:47 -0500
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 08:54 -0700
            Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:54 -0700
              Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 08:17 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 08:36 -0700
                Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 10:55 -0700
            Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 10:19 -0500
          Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 10:58 -0700
  Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-03-16 21:11 -0700
  Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 16:36 -0700
    Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 21:13 -0400
    Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 21:10 -0500
    Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-03-17 20:55 -0700
  Re: The Search for New Physics at CERN "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 20:35 -0700

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