Re: LHC - new particle inside electron/positron and in every mass ? See, how to find.

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: LHC - new particle inside electron/positron and in every mass ? See, how to find.
Date	2016-03-16 08:36 -0500
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On 3/15/2016 5:31 PM, Enes Richard wrote:
> W dniu wtorek, 15 marca 2016 22:34:49 UTC+1 użytkownik Double-A napisał:
>> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 12:57:29 PM UTC-7, Enes Richard wrote:
>>> W dniu czwartek, 10 marca 2016 15:08:24 UTC+1 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Most charged particles have a charge of either +e or -e.
>>>>
>>> This means that the nucleons can be broken down into electrons
>>> and positrons.
>>>
>>> There is no quarks?!?
>>
>>
>> Quarks have always been a fiction.  There is no proof.
>>
>> Double-A
>
> In nature it is like this:
>
> -chemical compounds> 64 million
> -chemical elements <120
> -the components of the atom = 3
>
> ...and should be
> - smaller components = 1 or 2

And indeed there are, if you are only looking at reasonably stable, 
naturally occurring things. The one or two smaller components are the up 
and down quarks.

But notice your own list above. The number of naturally occurring 
elements is 94, not the 118 or so that are in the periodic table. So 
what's the difference? The difference is that those same 3 components of 
the atom (proton, neutron, electron) can produce MORE elements than are 
reasonably stable and naturally occurring. It's just that some are 
short-lived and not seen except in brief, transient conditions. But so 
what? They are still elements and they can be accounted for by the 
protons, neutrons, and electrons.

The same is true for quarks and what they comprise. There are only two 
reasonably stable and naturally occurring hadrons: protons and neutrons. 
And these can be accounted for by only up and down quarks, for the most 
part. But there are also short-lived hadrons, just like there are 
short-lived elements: pions, kaons, lambdas, deltas, sigmas, and so on. 
It was precisely the detection of all these short-lived hadrons that 
gave rise to the quark model. To account for all of them, there are six 
quarks needed.

Now, even among the naturally occurring elements, it was discovered that 
there is a completely natural process called beta decay, which 
transforms one element to another. To explain this, more than the three 
components (proton, neutron, electron) are needed; there is a fourth, 
the neutrino, that is required. And in fact, the neutrino has been 
directly observed since. So now there are in the host of naturally 
occurring elements four particles (proton, neutrons, electrons, 
neutrinos), and two of these can be accounted for by two smaller quarks 
(up and down) making up the two hadrons, and the electron and neutrino 
survive as leptons.

But to account for all the short lived particles, you need six quarks, 
not just two, and six leptons, not just two. These are arranged in three 
families of 2 quarks and 2 leptons each. This is the analog of what is 
needed to account for all the short lived elements in the periodic table.

So to sum up, you have this idea that the number of components should 
always reduce. There is in fact no particular law that states that in 
physics, and it is in fact something you've made up yourself and you 
just HOPE it's a law.

Instead, though, the way physicists describe things is this: There are 
three families of quarks and leptons, comprising 12 components in all, 
out of which all matter is created. From these there are hundreds of 
observable particles, some of which are long-lived (4) and some of which 
are short-lived (kaons, pions, omegas, sigmas, etc.). The four 
long-lived particles can assemble into hundreds of atoms, some of which 
are long-lived (94 of them) and some of which are short-lived (about 24 
so far). The long-lived atoms can be built up into molecules, some of 
which are long-lived and some of which are short-lived.

>
> I think just one component is sufficient to build any mass. Let's called
> PARTMASS (mass = 1 / 4e, load = 1 / 4e - 1 / 4e = 0)
>
> The theory of quarks is not compatible with nature as above, is based only
> on a mathematical abstraction. Mathematics can stretch many models to comply
> with the experimental results.
>

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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