Re: LHC - new particle inside electron/positron and in every mass ? See, how to find.

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: LHC - new particle inside electron/positron and in every mass ? See, how to find.
Date	2016-03-09 16:12 -0600
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On 3/9/2016 3:55 PM, Enes Richard wrote:
> W dniu środa, 9 marca 2016 22:02:24 UTC+1 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:
>> On 3/9/2016 12:50 PM, Enes Richard wrote:
>>> W dniu środa, 9 marca 2016 01:36:56 UTC+1 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:
>>>> On 3/8/2016 12:15 PM, Enes Richard wrote:
>>>>> Intriguing objects / tracks that look like flat spirals / sine wave, because that should be the
>>>>> components of the electron / positron in the electromagnetic field.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it is 1/4 or 1/6 of the mass of the electron, and from -1/4 to 1/4 electron charge ...
>>>>> It would be a complete victory 10 years old theory about the construction of each mass.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any other interpretation?
>>>>
>>>> You're joking, right? You do know that charged particles execute helical
>>>> trajectories in uniform magnetic fields, don't you?
>>>>
>
>> Any charged particle can make those spirals. The radius of curvature of
>> the spiral is directly related to the charge and momentum of the
>> particle: R = P/qB, where P is the momentum, q is the charge, and B is
>> the strength of the applied magnetic field.
>>
> Is there also an electric field?

Not in the volume you're looking at. There are other sub-detectors where 
there is an electric field internally confined. You can look up drift 
chambers, for example.

>
>
>> Those charged particles can
>> be electrons or pions or protons or muons or a few other long-lasting
>> charged particles. The identification of which of these it is, is
>> usually not just by looking at those curved tracks but also the profile
>> of the energy deposit in the calorimeter.
>>
> What exactly is it?

Don't have enough information from that picture to tell. However, there 
are OTHER data recorded for that event that will be able to identify 
what that particle is. It's just not shown in the picture.

>
>
> I see a large fragment of a larger spiral (4-6 times higher) than those small.
> What can you say about the mass and charge in relation to the previous particles?
>

You can't. What you can say is that the momentum is larger for that 
particle. But that could be a heavier particle, or a particle going 
faster, or both.

You'll notice some tracks that are only bent a little bit or are 
visually almost straight. Those are particles with much higher momentum 
than the ones you're looking at, and so they have such a large radius of 
curvature that you're only seeing a tiny part of the arc of their curved 
path. It turns out that these particles with higher momentum are in fact 
the more interesting ones physically.

If you want to read a book about particle physics, particle detectors 
and how to interpret what you're seeing there in the pictures, I can 
give you a recommendation. Only thing is, they're not typically written 
for laymen.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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