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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Better art refines prior art. |
| Date | 2016-02-12 14:37 -0600 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <n9lfpj$657$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | (4 earlier) <Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.12{10.54A.Seattle.2016}> <zMqvy.24091$SO7.300@fx13.iad> <Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.12{0.08P.Seattle.2016}> <6cfc3abb-7007-4167-adda-43eade58e29f@googlegroups.com> <n9lfas$4uc$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
On 2/12/2016 2:29 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 2/12/2016 2:19 PM, john wrote: >> Odd >> You STILL have no mechanism. >> Or model. > > Physicists do. I think you just have a disagreement with physicist over > what "model" means. Model to you means something where you can see the > inner workings moving, cogs and cams and paths of motion of all the > pieces. That's not what a model means to a physicist. A model means a > theory that allows you to calculate predictions of measurable quantities > that can be compared to experiment. > > So when you say physicists don't have a model, what you're really saying > is that they don't have YOUR kind of model. And physicists will say, "So?" As an illustration of the difference, general relativity is a model in the sense that physicists mean it. That is, with this model, you can calculate a) that black holes will form, b) that a binary system of black holes will orbit and inspiral and then coalesce, c) that there will be a very characteristic profile of gravitational waves, with frequency and amplitude increasing in a very particular way, observable when that inspiraling and coalescence happens, d) that you will be able to observe this signal at two different laboratories, at the same time except for propagation delay, with an amplitude related to the distance from the event, which in turn will be related to the observed frequency profile of the waves in a very specific way. Since the observable prediction in (c) and (d) match actual observations, this meets EVERY criterion of a model as a physicist uses that word. The fact that you mean "model" to mean something you can animate with AutoCAD is entirely irrelevant. > >> >> "Swarming" gmafb >> > > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:37 -0600
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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 07:28 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:42 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:52 -0600
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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 08:53 -0600
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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:16 -0500
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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:03 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:04 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 09:16 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 09:24 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 12:02 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 12:31 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:14 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 02:43 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 04:53 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:09 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 15:58 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:30 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:30 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 19:28 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 07:39 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 19:53 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-02-12 04:33 +0000
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-11 22:02 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 23:02 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-12 11:34 -0500
Re: Ben Jacoby's hallucinations rule supreme, unreproachable. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:55 -0500
Better art refines prior art. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 12:19 -0800
Re: Better art refines prior art. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:29 -0600
Re: Better art refines prior art. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:37 -0600
Re: Better art refines prior art. "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:47 -0800
Re: Better art refines prior art. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 12:56 -0800
Re: Better art refines prior art. "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 04:50 -0800
Re: Better art refines prior art. "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:42 -0800
Re: Ben Jacoby's hallucinations rule supreme, unreproachable. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-02-12 13:43 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-12 13:33 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 11:49 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:29 -0500
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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 11:05 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 13:06 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 11:11 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 11:29 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 13:56 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 12:51 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 15:00 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 13:48 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-13 14:02 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-13 18:16 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:40 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 20:01 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 22:39 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:38 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 19:56 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 23:05 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:31 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-13 11:56 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:32 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:27 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 22:50 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:24 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:24 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:18 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-02-12 10:54 +0000
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:25 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-02-13 11:47 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 04:54 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 08:30 -0800
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:31 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 00:27 -0500
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 07:21 -0600
Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:51 -0500
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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 16:19 -0500
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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-18 06:38 -0800
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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 13:49 -0600
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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-23 05:48 -0800
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